The future for SEO/B&G

[AVIM]

On the patented AVIM scale of -10 to +10 board love/hate, SEO has positioned the protest movement at -9 or -10. Quite predictably, this has alienated the majority of fans, who are "anti board" rather than "pro board", but far less extreme, say -3. I have posted this before, nothing new here (except now SEO might listen).

 

SEO is a huge mistake. Its is a very very bad strategy, illogical and a failure. You have wasted a massive opportunity to unite the fanbase behind a movement for change. Whoever dreamt it up as a campaign is an idiot.

 

Now what? Do you continue with a failed strategy, even though you know it is doomed to failure, is anti change (by its results, not its intentions) and anti port vale? Or do you come out and say you got it wrong, and get back supporting the club whilst trying to reposition the protest movement more towards the middle ground (say -3/-4 on the AVIM scale)?

[melv]

SEO is a huge mistake. Its is a very very bad strategy, illogical and a failure. You have wasted a massive opportunity to unite the fanbase behind a movement for change. Whoever dreamt it up as a campaign is an idiot.

 

 

 

So please enlighten us all with your vastly superior knowledge on what should be done and exactly how?

 

To continue to hand over money in the way we have done in the past is not the answer.So away you go tell us.Should this continue as it is many fans will just simply give up and not go at all.Possibly never again.

[Guest potalot1]

Future ?? lol.

Think it started to weaken a while ago and finally died this week...RIP..

IMO of course..

[Twitters]

The only idiots are those who think that customers not wanting to go to a place of business because they aren't happy with it is the customers fault.

[melv]

Future ?? lol.

Think it started to weaken a while ago and finally died this week...RIP..

IMO of course..

 

There is still a bit of life left yet.How much longer will depend on what happens by Wednesday.

[richardcranium]

SEO is a huge mistake. Its is a very very bad strategy, illogical and a failure. You have wasted a massive opportunity to unite the fanbase behind a movement for change. Whoever dreamt it up as a campaign is an idiot.

 

 

 

So please enlighten us all with your vastly superior knowledge on what should be done and exactly how?

 

To continue to hand over money in the way we have done in the past is not the answer.So away you go tell us.Should this continue as it is many fans will just simply give up and not go at all.Possibly never again.

 

One question melve...did anyone bring you a glass of water :razz:

[Trentham Lakes Valiant]

On the patented AVIM scale of -10 to +10 board love/hate, SEO has positioned the protest movement at -9 or -10. Quite predictably, this has alienated the majority of fans, who are "anti board" rather than "pro board", but far less extreme, say -3. I have posted this before, nothing new here (except now SEO might listen).

 

SEO is a huge mistake. Its is a very very bad strategy, illogical and a failure. You have wasted a massive opportunity to unite the fanbase behind a movement for change. Whoever dreamt it up as a campaign is an idiot.

 

Now what? Do you continue with a failed strategy, even though you know it is doomed to failure, is anti change (by its results, not its intentions) and anti port vale? Or do you come out and say you got it wrong, and get back supporting the club whilst trying to reposition the protest movement more towards the middle ground (say -3/-4 on the AVIM scale)?

 

Did you enjoy the game yesterday?

[Guest Tony Dyche]

On the patented AVIM scale of -10 to +10 board love/hate, SEO has positioned the protest movement at -9 or -10. Quite predictably, this has alienated the majority of fans, who are "anti board" rather than "pro board", but far less extreme, say -3. I have posted this before, nothing new here (except now SEO might listen).

 

SEO is a huge mistake. Its is a very very bad strategy, illogical and a failure. You have wasted a massive opportunity to unite the fanbase behind a movement for change. Whoever dreamt it up as a campaign is an idiot.

 

Now what? Do you continue with a failed strategy, even though you know it is doomed to failure, is anti change (by its results, not its intentions) and anti port vale? Or do you come out and say you got it wrong, and get back supporting the club whilst trying to reposition the protest movement more towards the middle ground (say -3/-4 on the AVIM scale)?

 

I think that is a very reasonable summary and question to be asking. I do not have the answers yet, but we are working on them. Personally, and I am not speaking on behalf of any group, I feel that SEO is a stratagy that has cost the pro-change movement support. I am of course talking with the benefit of hindsight though. SEO is a personal and individual thing, it is merely a collective term to describe those that are chosing to withdraw custom. However, we at B&G towers have not done enough to make it clear that SEO is not a B&G initiative and has never been part of B&G although many of those involved back SEO on a personal level.

 

I think yesterday clearly showed that the message about B&G has been lost and rolled up with SEO, which is not a popular stratagy amoungst the fan base. I have said on other threads about why I feel SEO has alienated people and been so devisive, its no so much the stratagy, but the way in which some of its supporters adopt a patronising appraoch to the opposition. Had this been better handled, I think those in the ground would have had more respect and understanding for those outside and on the march.

[melv]

 

One question melve...did anyone bring you a glass of water :razz:

 

 

 

Who is melve,come on Richard use your cranium ;);)

[geosname]

On the patented AVIM scale of -10 to +10 board love/hate, SEO has positioned the protest movement at -9 or -10. Quite predictably, this has alienated the majority of fans, who are "anti board" rather than "pro board", but far less extreme, say -3. I have posted this before, nothing new here (except now SEO might listen).

 

SEO is a huge mistake. Its is a very very bad strategy, illogical and a failure. You have wasted a massive opportunity to unite the fanbase behind a movement for change. Whoever dreamt it up as a campaign is an idiot.

 

Now what? Do you continue with a failed strategy, even though you know it is doomed to failure, is anti change (by its results, not its intentions) and anti port vale? Or do you come out and say you got it wrong, and get back supporting the club whilst trying to reposition the protest movement more towards the middle ground (say -3/-4 on the AVIM scale)?

 

SeO is a stand alone group who believe in what they are doing..... its not for them to reunite fans.... if you dont like it dont join... they are basically customers who dont want to spend their money on the product.... for whatever reason.... its their choice..... Just as it is yours to spend if that is your decision.

If you have an alternative plan for port Vale then I suggest you follow it... its your choice.... some will follow some will disagree.

[Caroline Oakes]

I think that is a very reasonable summary and question to be asking. I do not have the answers yet, but we are working on them. Personally, and I am not speaking on behalf of any group, I feel that SEO is a stratagy that has cost the pro-change movement support. I am of course talking with the benefit of hindsight though. SEO is a personal and individual thing, it is merely a collective term to describe those that are chosing to withdraw custom. However, we at B&G towers have not done enough to make it clear that SEO is not a B&G initiative and has never been part of B&G although many of those involved back SEO on a personal level.

 

I think yesterday clearly showed that the message about B&G has been lost and rolled up with SEO, which is not a popular stratagy amoungst the fan base. I have said on other threads about why I feel SEO has alienated people and been so devisive, its no so much the stratagy, but the way in which some of its supporters adopt a patronising appraoch to the opposition. Had this been better handled, I think those in the ground would have had more respect and understanding for those outside and on the march.

 

 

After the abuse received and witnessed yesterday I don't think that the abusers have respect for anything and/or anyone, regardless as to how clear the message or the strategy is delivered.

[AVIM]

Did you enjoy the game yesterday?

 

Yes, but it would have been better with another 500 absent vale fans cheering us on. Who knows, might have made the difference. ;)

[AVIM]

SeO is a stand alone group who believe in what they are doing.... they are basically customers who dont want to spend their money on the product....

 

SEO is more than that. It is/was a movement. With websites and forums and stickers and walls of doom!

[Valiant Haze]

Yes, but it would have been better with another 500 absent vale fans cheering us on. Who knows, might have made the difference. ;)

 

2 people leaving would achieve that, and more ;)

[melv]

Yes, but it would have been better with another 500 absent vale fans cheering us on. Who knows, might have made the difference. ;)

 

An extra 500 would have been good.An extra 1000 would have been even better.What do you think could entice these missing people back?