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In the interests of balance, taken from Sullivan's Wikipedia page:

 

Sullivan is a philanthropist and has been a patron of Prostate Cancer UK for over 15 years. He is also an active supporter of the Teenage Cancer Trust along with several other charities nationwide. Sullivan celebrated West Ham’s promotion to the Premier League in May 2012 by donating a five figure sum to a charity for children with autism.[22]

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In the interests of balance, taken from Sullivan's Wikipedia page:

 

Sullivan is a philanthropist and has been a patron of Prostate Cancer UK for over 15 years. He is also an active supporter of the Teenage Cancer Trust along with several other charities nationwide. Sullivan celebrated West Ham’s promotion to the Premier League in May 2012 by donating a five figure sum to a charity for children with autism.[22]

 

 

Yes, well, in the interests of balance too -

 

 

Pretty easy to give 'a five figure sum', which basically means £10k, when you have been given a new stadium and saved over £200 million pounds of taxpayers money.

Even easier if you are worth more than £1billon (tahst 1000 x £1million) and it becomes the equivalent of a normal working person giving up less than 10p.

 

Knighthood or Lordship for 'entrepeneunial spirit' and 'services to charity' in the offing by any chance ?

 

Even easier when you have made your money originally from porn, blue movies, over 150 sex shops and more than half the pornographic magazine market in the UK.

 

Now I'm not moralising, but even the great Mr Sullivan and his partner Mr Gold can manage relatively tiny donations in comparison to their wealth.

 

Mr Sullivan has also been convicted for living off immoral earnings and spent time in prison, but was later released after an appeal.

 

You might like to read these, after all, its your money that paid for that stadium as well as mine -

 

http://vgtips.co.uk/west-ham-united-olympic-stadium-scandal/

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/its-scandal-west-ham-taxpayer-7773083

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3539575/West-Ham-pay-2-5m-year-play-Olympic-St

adium-extra-1m-win-Champions-League.html

 

So which do you think would do medical services more good, a couple of very modest 10k donations to charities or for the £200million-plus that should have been paid for that stadium to go to the NHS ?

 

Remember that Sullivan being worth a reported £1 billion or more could make over 100,000 donations of 10k and still have enough left for a few porn mags.

 

Please balance carefully when you answer, wouldn't want you to fall over.

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David Sullivan was given a new stadium or West Ham Utd were given a new stadium? Also, I suppose morality in terms of his background occupation is very much personal opinion. I've no idea how much he has given to various charities, but if it is only £10k, then I'm sure the lives of those saved by the admirable work done by Prostate Cancer UK/Teenage Cancer Trust etc... aren't thinking "what a heartless **** only giving £10k".

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David Sullivan was given a new stadium or West Ham Utd were given a new stadium? Also, I suppose morality in terms of his background occupation is very much personal opinion. I've no idea how much he has given to various charities, but if it is only £10k, then I'm sure the lives of those saved by the admirable work done by Prostate Cancer UK/Teenage Cancer Trust etc... aren't thinking "what a heartless **** only giving £10k".

 

 

Sulliva and Gold own West Ham, and therefore it is the same thing. If they sell the club or £117 million more than they bought it, they will have to repay just £17m to the govt - not bad, a £100 profit.

 

As for the charity thing, I already said that the £200million in taxpayers money that Sullivan/West Ham got let off would have finance this chartity, a few new hospitals and enabled many people who hae been refused expensive cancer drugs to have had them - ask someone who has lost a loved one because the govt wouldn't give the drugs out who is heartless, will you ?

 

It isn't a case of personal opinion about his morals when the law has been involved and he has been in prison either. Boris Johnson should have noted this when he stupidly allowed the deal that gave Sullivan and West Ham such a frre gift - many London people lost their homes so this stupid eyesore of a stdium could be built and no thought was put into what would happen to it long-term when it was proposed.

 

 

So you obviously didn't read the links, and would prefer to support a person like Sullivan, who is only now giving miniscule amounts (1 hundred thousandth of his wealth- like you giving 1/10 of a penny from your wage) to salvage his grubby reputation.

 

Sullivan claimed 'you wont find any damage to the (Man U) coach, despite later pictures of broken window etc.

 

If you and JA want to defend such a person and club, that;'s your call but as someone else said, if it had been Vale we would have had Garth Crooks and others shutting us down by now.

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It's a PLC isn't it? Therefore Sullivan and Gold don't "own West Ham", they are majority shareholders.

 

The stadium also wasn't free, heavily discounted maybe. As above, when David Sullivan sells up or dies, the stadium will belong to West Ham Football Club, not the estate of David Sullivan. As far as I'm aware, he hasn't split the stadium from the football club, unless you can prove otherwise.

 

I will have a look at the links tomorrow, although I try not to get too worked up about how my tax money is spent. Some of how it is spent I agree with, some I don't. Unfortunately, I can't change it, nor do I have any desire to run for elected office, so I never will be able to change it. Best to worry about things you can change, in my view of course.

 

Regarding your last point, I haven't defended his comments yesterday regarding Man Utd.

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Maybe in a few years time we will know whether the tax payer is getting a fair deal or not, left as it was it would have been a white elephant left over from the Olympics, so I suppose only the conversion costs should be in the equation. But no doubt the re-use costs would have been claimed in the Olympic budget, after all it is only paper.

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It's a PLC isn't it? Therefore Sullivan and Gold don't "own West Ham", they are majority shareholders.

 

Nitpicking - Sullivan's shares have gone up massively in value. Same thing

 

The stadium also wasn't free, heavily discounted maybe.

 

Bought for about 10 per cent of its true value, read the links and see they don't even pay for heating and corner flags. Sorry, you are nitpicking JA style again.

 

As above, when David Sullivan sells up or dies, the stadium will belong to West Ham Football Club, not the estate of David Sullivan.

If/when Sullivan sells (probable?) at a massive profit the proportion of it he owns will belong to who he sells his shares to not 'West Ham'. That is how shares work.

 

 

As far as I'm aware, he hasn't split the stadium from the football club, unless you can prove otherwise.

Not an issue, why would I be interested - diversion which I will ignore.

 

I will have a look at the links tomorrow, although I try not to get too worked up about how my tax money is spent.

 

Maybe you don't but some do, caring if benefits get paid out but seeing this and other such deals as honest opportunism and entrepreneurial.

 

Some of how it is spent I agree with, some I don't. Unfortunately, I can't change it, nor do I have any desire to run for elected office, so I never will be able to change it.

 

Things can be changed, several things have been changed by public action and petitions even in the last year, such as the Disability PPA cuts, and we are on the verge of stopping the evil TTIP trade deal with the scummy USA that will make everyone eat GMO foods ifg it gets passed. You can change things, sometimes just a signature on a petition. Look at the 38 degrees site to see how much they have done.

 

Best to worry about things you can change, in my view of course.

Your choice.

 

Regarding your last point, I haven't defended his comments yesterday regarding Man Utd.

 

No, but you came steaming in defending him as a person when Sid Mouth defended him and I proved him wrong.

 

 

Remember, giving money to charity is no indication of character.

Although nothing to do with Sullivan, or West Ham and no connection is being suggested, I seem to remember someone who gave £40million to charity and was honoured and feted and invited for Christmas with the Thatchers - but unfortunately that wasn't all he did.

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They were equally welcoming when they came to Vale Park to play us in the cup (think it was 1972). In the days when there was no segregation of fans, they invaded the Bycars End and we had to vault (I could do it in those days) into the Lorne Street to avoid a good kicking. Even worse, they won 0-1 with a header from Clyde Best (great player). Always has been the rough end of London.
Pat Holland scored for West Ham that day Jean am sure, As for West Ham in the Bycars I think Vale Fans give as good as they got 3 Stabbings if I remember right one Vale Two Hammers, Bob Mounford scored an offside goal and Tommy McLaren should of had a penalty given by Bobby Moore pulling him back clean through bless him UTV !
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Suspect Sullivan was unaware of what had happened outside when he made his statement.

 

Seems my suspicion was correct...."Mystic Aitch" strikes again

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/11/david-sullivan-west-ham-upton-park-manchester-united-violence

 

Anyways the main issue is that the culprits are apprehended and dealt with accordingly

 

Nothing more to add

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Not saying for one minute that what went on by the West Ham fans was in anyway acceptable but I do have to agree with O'sullivan to some degree in why the hell did United leave it so late to get to the ground?

Common sense would mean any time of the week you would give your self plenty of time but rush hour in the East end on the day of the last match ever at Upton Park!!.

 

Probably Police Intel!!

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Not saying for one minute that what went on by the West Ham fans was in anyway acceptable but I do have to agree with O'sullivan to some degree in why the hell did United leave it so late to get to the ground?

Common sense would mean any time of the week you would give your self plenty of time but rush hour in the East end on the day of the last match ever at Upton Park!!.

 

Probably Police Intel!!

 

He should have said NOTHING until he had the full facts, then apologised as he has now been forced to do.

 

Have you driven in Greater London lately ? It's not unusual for it to take several hours from the end of the M1 just past Watford to get through the worst parts of North and East London to the delightful leafy glades of Upton Park.

And if you were late to Vale and your car window got smashed by thugs.I bet you wouldn't think too well of it if someone told you it was partly your fault for not getting there earlier.

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