Harlequin featured on Rip-Off Britain

[Jacko51]

Id like to see the figures for what Harlequin put into the club. Personally I'm not too bothered if they later fleeced some rich but gullible people on Caribbean timeshares, I'm more concerned on their dealings with Vale than the rights and wrongs of profiteering property investors.

I remember they once paid for all fans to go to an away game. might have been Bradford City, and did put a couple of largish payments in - not defending them, but what they did as a timeshare company does not necessarily mean they fleeced Vale - at least not at first when things looked ok for them as a company.

 

Better an allegedly dodgy sponsor than none at all, and they didn't do a 'Deakin' and lie about money they hadn't supplied to Vale as far as I'm aware.

Whether Bill Bratt could have got better sponsors or not we will never know, but at least it kept the club away from more than one takeover that could have been very bad news and we ended up with Smurf. Also, after the fallout did Harlequin not try to sue Bratt or Vale or am I dreaming that ?

 

Harlequin were dodgy before they got involved with Vale. Indeed Mr Bratt was warned about them by a number of financial advisors who knew of their practices. If you were present at the AGM when David Ames gave the most boring and self-promoting speech I have ever heard, you would have had doubts about them as well!

[TeenValiant]

REF ABOVE you obviousley watch the bbc (british bull**** corp) so av a look at tonights panorama prog wen u get in from the vale it is the BBC tryin to brainwash us all that the child sex offences carried out for years by the british establishment are fiction and the accusers are discredited people not worth listening to.

 

What you say is plausible, there is a chance that our state media is brainwashing us,just like what happens in every other country in the world, but there is nothing you can do but take everything you see with a pinch of salt, and try to look for an alternate argument.

[Bea Smith]

Many pensioners have lost huge chunks of their hard-earned pension fund cos their advisers/fund managers invested in Harlequin..tragic for them

 

Ultimately it's worked out well for Vale and hopefully those that ran Harlequin will get what's due to them and those that lost out will get something back. Seems like a spectacular lack of judgment form Bratt and co..hopefully that's all it was

 

Almost as bad as ex-miners being mis-sold pensions, except that anyone buying a Caribbean second home probably has too much money for their own good, and gets little sympathy from me if they were stupid enough not to check Harlequin out first.

 

Talking of pensioners - all the compassion, care, integrity and honesty of the Tories shown here -

 

https://welfaretales.wordpress.com/2015/10/05/conservative-think-tank-at-tory-party-conference-cut-pensioner-benefits-immediately/

 

I hope a few pensioners who vote conservative see that and wonder what they might feel about being talked about as 'might not be around' and 'will have forgotten who took their benefit away'. What filth these people in this think tank are.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

What you say is plausible, there is a chance that our state media is brainwashing us,just like what happens in every other country in the world, but there is nothing you can do but take everything you see with a pinch of salt, and try to look for an alternate argument.

 

Given all the other media outlets we have in the UK and access to media from all over the world if the BBC (our "state media") is able to do this it must truly be run by geniuses and the people of the UK must be truly gullible

[bookworm]

Almost as bad as ex-miners being mis-sold pensions, except that anyone buying a Caribbean second home probably has too much money for their own good, and gets little sympathy from me if they were stupid enough not to check Harlequin out first.

 

Talking of pensioners - all the compassion, care, integrity and honesty of the Tories shown here -

 

https://welfaretales.wordpress.com/2015/10/05/conservative-think-tank-at-tory-party-conference-cut-pensioner-benefits-immediately/

 

I hope a few pensioners who vote conservative see that and wonder what they might feel about being talked about as 'might not be around' and 'will have forgotten who took their benefit away'. What filth these people in this think tank are.

 

liam fox wants stringing up by the gonads, and the rest of them put to the sword.

[Bea Smith]

liam fox wants stringing up by the gonads, and the rest of them put to the sword.

 

I find it truly shocking that they could be so brazen and hateful towards the British pensioners, but that is the Tories for you, and that Taxpayers Alliance would make the Nazis seem left-wing. I'd agree with you about Liam Fox except he probably hasn't got any, gutless freak.

 

https://welfaretales.wordpress.com/2015/10/05/conservative-think-tank-at-tory-party-conference-cut-pensioner-benefits-immediately/

 

 

some reaction - their utter contempt for our pensioners may backfire on them after all. Labour should use these comments and keep using them.

 

http://www.saga.co.uk/newsroom/press-releases/2015/october/alex-wild-from-taxpayers-alliance-should-be-ashamed-and-apologise-says-saga.aspx

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Anyone mis-sold any investment or where their pension company/advisor didn't carry out due dilligence on their behalf deserves our sympathies and the chance to get back what they lost. After all does everyone know which individual companies/businesses their pension pot/fund is invested in? Does everyone have a say where their money gets invested..nope they rely on those managing the fund to get it right and when they don't carry out the proper checks or ensure proper protection on behalf of their clients it's the manager of the fund that should suffer not the customer/pensioner.

[TeenValiant]

Given all the other media outlets we have in the UK and access to media from all over the world if the BBC (our "state media") is able to do this it must truly be run by geniuses and the people of the UK must be truly gullible

 

Maybe so, however it's impossible to prove or disprove something like that

[JOHNNYAITCH]

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/explaining_our_position_on_pensioner_benefits

 

Why should those wealthy pensioners who can afford to lose money thru greedy investments with the likes of Harlequin get winter fuel allowances etc?

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Maybe so, however it's impossible to prove or disprove something like that

 

Agreed..I trust people who are interested to look at multiple sources and make their own minds up

[TeenValiant]

Agreed..I trust people who are interested to look at multiple sources and make their own minds up

 

Yes, I agree, people do not look at things in depth, and tend to only believe things that they agree with.

 

I just try to be as rational as possible, and only 95% believe anything that is said, because most of the time, you never ever get the full story, and there is always two sides of an argument

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Sometimes three !!! Even four!!! :)

 

If people are really interested I believe they'll look at many sources..if one is not really interested or just looking to have ones "prejudices" confirmed about cases such as this then I guess some won't look around..up to them.

[Jacko51]

 

Why should those wealthy pensioners who can afford to lose money thru greedy investments with the likes of Harlequin get winter fuel allowances etc?

 

I agree. If the winter fuel allowance was means tested in some way it could distribute the funds more sensibly. It's like the ludicrous £10 Christmas bonus which all folk on state pension get.

[Bea Smith]

http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/explaining_our_position_on_pensioner_benefits

 

Why should those wealthy pensioners who can afford to lose money thru greedy investments with the likes of Harlequin get winter fuel allowances etc?

 

I wondered how long before you'd try to mislead and manipulate this, just like the Taxpayers Alliance who hope pensioners will forget which party might remove their benefits - your careful insertion of the word wealthy shows how you work.

 

Sorry little man, we've seen your lies and tricks before, and you know these people aren't just targeting wealthy pensioners.

 

So apart from your question, you find their use of deceitful politics and talking about British pensioners dying to help them to get votes is ok then ? I await a straight answer, though I'm not optimistic about getting one.

[Bea Smith]

I agree. If the winter fuel allowance was means tested in some way it could distribute the funds more sensibly. It's like the ludicrous £10 Christmas bonus which all folk on state pension get.

 

No disrespect, but a perfect example of how JA manipulates and suckers people by introducing the word wealthy, and again no disrespect but you may well be fine without the WFA and Xmas Bonus, there are many pensioners who could be very cold and hungry without it. The £10 was either £50 or £100 in the latter years of the last Labour govt by the way.