Dyke spouting his guff again

[markh]

Granted, different sport, but very similar issues, the NRL in Australia is a 16 team league and they have similar pressures from the Islanders/NZ players for very limited starting places, however, they do pick Aussies and they remain by far the best team in the world game due to this strength. They have no real loan system, but the Holden Cup, which is the B Team/Reserves/U21 teams play their match before the main games. This means that the fans get to see 2 matches, they get to see the 2nd team play and it all works really well. I guess the main stumbling block would be that when we play Brentford at home, our reserves/U21s would not be playing the Brentford U21's, but surely its a workable solution if the teams wanted it?

[bar1]

I've not moaned about the England team, we went out there and we got beat. How about limiting the number of non UK or English players in a Premier or Football League squad to say 7, that way you'll have a good number of English players throughout the leagues and plenty to choose from. Why should we suffer or anyone else for that matter having to watch Hull reserves, football as we know it would become a non spectacle.

 

Well said, exactly my point. The plan is to increase the pool of English players and develop them, then the simple and obvious answer is to limit the number of imported players!!!! But will this happen? No. Because it will upset our Premier League teams and maybe the global brand. We cant have that.

[robf]

The answer to English football's woes is NOT B teams. Spain had B teams for some eighty years before they won the World Cup. B teams are just a way of PL getting even more control over the English game. The PL are already hoovering up all the young talent with their massive academies, don't let them try and control FL clubs too.

 

It's not B teams that won Spain the World Cup it's the fact that they (and countries like Germany) understand and develop the grass roots side of the game.

 

Rather than taking the millions from TV deals and splashing it on expensive players, the English game should be looking at improving the facilities and coaching for young kids learning the game. It wouldn't even take that much (considering PL clubs earn £60m a year) to do this. At the moment, the PL cannot even reach their own target of putting 5% of their riches into grass roots football. Shame on them!

 

In my view, THIS is the fact that Dyke should be paying most attention to:

 

Germany boasts 6,934 coaches holding Uefa's A and Pro qualification badges. England, meanwhile, has 1,457. Furthermore, there are 21,731 holders of Uefa B badges in Germany, compared to 9,420 in England.

 

Start with solving that one and work up from there, don't simply pander to the wishes of the rich PL clubs who just want a bigger slice of cake.

[Trampilot]

Quite right Rob ^^

 

Nobody will watch reserve matches and how will this improve the chances of players getting into the first team of any premiership team. This is just an excuse for the PL to have bigger and bigger squads, buy up all the talent and then leave them to rot in a nothing team.

 

Out sourcing the national game's development to the PL hasn't worked. If it had there would be a queue of goalkeepers, centre backs and strikers all able to perform. There isn't.

 

The FA needs to shamelessly copy Germany and just get on with it. All this nonsense with B teams is deflecting the fact that home football from the top down is rotten.

 

I find it interesting the emphasis post-world cup from the media. Its all now about what world cup players the PL can sign. Bet all the fans have now forgotten...

[TheJoker]

when will someone grow a pair and and start restricting the number of foreign players in our game. 33%home grown players in our top league is

 

 

None of our players are prepared to test themselves abroad to further their footballing education, perhaps they are being paid to much by their clubs to even contemplate it. Look at the Belgian squad for the WC. There are 12 of that squad who play in the PL.

 

 

 

 

Just to clarify, you want the premier league to have a higher percentage of english players but also english players should go abroad?

 

Btw dyke is a disgrace

[JOHNNYAITCH]

It may be people like me who are contributing to the problem, but the lower leagues mean more to me than the national team.

 

Excellent point....why should lower league fans suffer when they don't care about a successful England team

 

Get these young English players to play in overseas leagues to develop their talents..don't do it by screwing up our lower leagues

[Hagrid]

The answer to English football's woes is NOT B teams. Spain had B teams for some eighty years before they won the World Cup. B teams are just a way of PL getting even more control over the English game. The PL are already hoovering up all the young talent with their massive academies, don't let them try and control FL clubs too.

 

It's not B teams that won Spain the World Cup it's the fact that they (and countries like Germany) understand and develop the grass roots side of the game.

 

Rather than taking the millions from TV deals and splashing it on expensive players, the English game should be looking at improving the facilities and coaching for young kids learning the game. It wouldn't even take that much (considering PL clubs earn £60m a year) to do this. At the moment, the PL cannot even reach their own target of putting 5% of their riches into grass roots football. Shame on them!

 

In my view, THIS is the fact that Dyke should be paying most attention to:

 

Germany boasts 6,934 coaches holding Uefa's A and Pro qualification badges. England, meanwhile, has 1,457. Furthermore, there are 21,731 holders of Uefa B badges in Germany, compared to 9,420 in England.

 

Start with solving that one and work up from there, don't simply pander to the wishes of the rich PL clubs who just want a bigger slice of cake.

 

You've hit the nail on the head there Rob.

 

Start from the bottom, and you will see the results at the top.

 

Reform the standard of coaching and facilities and youth levels, restrict the age that pro clubs can sign young lads (6 year olds playing for Man Utd is ridiculous), ban 11-a-side leagues until kids are 15.

 

Trying to force change by implementing b teams or restricting foreigners is silly. It will just reduce the quality of the English Leagues.

 

Improve the quality of the youngsters coming through and far more English players will get game time.

 

IMHO, of course.

[Guppy 4 England]

You only have to look at national sides like colombia, chile, costa rica etc. who have a very poor standard of domestic league

[For Us All]

Whilst I agree the B team idea devalues the football league, something needs to change. What would people's solutions be? Some of the ideas in his original paper were very good in my opinion, it's just a shame that all the press coverage focused solely on the b team idea.

 

An obvious problem is the lack of English players playing regular football. Look at stoke, QPR, WBA Newcastle etc, how many young English players do they have in their starting XI? Sadly finishing 4th bottom of the prem is of a higher priority than developing our own players. The problem is deepening though. Look at the list of players signed by charlton, Leeds & Watford this summer. How many English lads have they signed?

 

You will find that clubs with foreign owners and managers tend to sign foreign players and hence the problem.

[robf]

To me it isn't about forcing changes on the top flight. Germany/Spain have no restrictions on foreign players, it's simply that their domestic players are better trained and coached so they earn their places in their top division by merit not by restricting others.

 

IMO, it's about grassroots. The FA should set a 15 or 20 year plan (not say that after a few years of PL endorsed changes we'll win in 2022 as Dyke keeps saying) and focus purely on coaching and developing youngsters nationwide.

 

An interesting segment of a BBC report, comparing Germany's success with English failure:

 

Point four in Dyke's report into improving the game domestically is that England "lags behind in the quantity and quality of affordable grassroots facilities".

 

Indeed, the FA's own grassroots survey in 2011 returned a damning finding, as 84% of respondents identified facilities as the biggest issue facing the game.

 

Strain on the system is high - with 3.5 million five-to-15-year-olds playing each month and some 6.5 million adults claiming to play the sport - but funding is scarce.

 

To avoid the typical abandonment of winter football at youth level, artificial 3G pitches are in demand and England boasts 639.

 

By comparison, Germany has over 5,000 - a number stimulated greatly by the fact they are funded by government and local authorities.

[For Us All]

To me it isn't about forcing changes on the top flight. Germany/Spain have no restrictions on foreign players, it's simply that their domestic players are better trained and coached so they earn their places in their top division by merit not by restricting others.

 

IMO, it's about grassroots. The FA should set a 15 or 20 year plan (not say that after a few years of PL endorsed changes we'll win in 2022 as Dyke keeps saying) and focus purely on coaching and developing youngsters nationwide.

 

An interesting segment of a BBC report, comparing Germany's success with English failure:

 

Point four in Dyke's report into improving the game domestically is that England "lags behind in the quantity and quality of affordable grassroots facilities".

 

Indeed, the FA's own grassroots survey in 2011 returned a damning finding, as 84% of respondents identified facilities as the biggest issue facing the game.

 

Strain on the system is high - with 3.5 million five-to-15-year-olds playing each month and some 6.5 million adults claiming to play the sport - but funding is scarce.

 

To avoid the typical abandonment of winter football at youth level, artificial 3G pitches are in demand and England boasts 639.

 

By comparison, Germany has over 5,000 - a number stimulated greatly by the fact they are funded by government and local authorities.

 

More the reason to support and promote this cause then Rob?

 

http://t.co/3u1HYJTUcu

[robf]

More the reason to support and promote this cause then Rob?

 

http://t.co/3u1HYJTUcu

 

Absolutely, thanks for that.

 

I have done the odd article/tweet supporting #saynotoleague3 but I'll include a link to that in any future ones too.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

You've hit the nail on the head there Rob.

 

Start from the bottom, and you will see the results at the top.

 

Reform the standard of coaching and facilities and youth levels, restrict the age that pro clubs can sign young lads (6 year olds playing for Man Utd is ridiculous), ban 11-a-side leagues until kids are 15.

 

Trying to force change by implementing b teams or restricting foreigners is silly. It will just reduce the quality of the English Leagues.

 

Improve the quality of the youngsters coming through and far more English players will get game time.

 

IMHO, of course.

 

Agree with just about all of that..but what's also needed is a way of allowing English youngsters (18-21) to prove that they are good enough..they must somehow get game time at the highest levels..it's too easy to bring in a proven foreign player than give a young English player a chance to prove they are good enough thru an extended run of games. Look at bale how he was given so much game time at Spurs despite many indiffeent performances and lots of losses

 

they must go to Under 21, under 19 etc tournaments rather than sit on the bench for the full England team/club tours and be given chances to play in top level leagues overseas..Scandinavia, Eastern europe etc to prove what they can do. Being good enough isn't enoughif you don't get the chance to show that you are good enough. But B teams are not the way to do that

 

And we need more and better coaches at youth level,,teach them good things, develop what's needed to be a good player

[Warren]

If we were to visit Rosario in Argentina we would find that kids outside school were playing football most of their time in the streets, parks and any open space. If we visit Stoke on Trent, in the UK, for example amongst places in England, we find the kids outside school spend most of their time indoors or outdoors engaged with some sort of electronic gadget. QED.

[Little_Al]

Dyke must go and take his commission with him. The problem is clearly the number of foreign players in English football, including youth football, although everything Rob says about the lack of facilities and coaching is important as well. League 3 is a red herring designed to divert attention away from the real problem.