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ATTENDANCE FIGURE v BRENTFORD


Denry Machin

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Would other people agree that despite this new ticket system, it's difficult not to remain sceptical over the attendance figures announced at Vale Park?

 

There were definitely more than 7,579 on Saturday - photographs show that the Railway was well over 3/4 full; as was the Lorne St; and with nearly 800 visiting supporters, there must have been over 8,000 at least. Failure to announce the figure during the game would give further proof that it seemed more like a "reliable figure" that was picked out randomly.

 

Last year the Northampton game was a near sell-out, but apparently less than 13,000 were there. Yet take into consideration the stadium's capacity of 18,900, at the bare minimum a figure of 15,000 would have been more believable.

 

In case you're wondering (!), I draw attention to it because the fans ARE turning up in numbers; support for the Vale hasn't been this consistently strong for years and it's a shame that it's not being recognised.

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the railway was never 3/4 full

 

Agreed. The Railway Stand was busy compared to usual, but it was still no where near half full. The paddock looked pretty good though, however there was more than enough room to change ends at half time. Bycars? Less than 1,000 spread across the stand for sure. Having the family area fairly busy did make it look better. The announced crowd seemed about right. Were season ticket holders who didn't turn up counted?

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Thats quite an allegation - business fraud!!

 

I would suggest that it is likely to be accurate as Smurf would I believe (1) wish to remain legal and (2) wish to have more money available to strengthen the team as he is unable to do so because of the fair play regs. I would expect that he would happily trade off accurate gate reporting for the extra support that he could supply for Micky.

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Would other people agree that despite this new ticket system, it's difficult not to remain sceptical over the attendance figures announced at Vale Park?

 

There were definitely more than 7,579 on Saturday - photographs show that the Railway was well over 3/4 full; as was the Lorne St; and with nearly 800 visiting supporters, there must have been over 8,000 at least. Failure to announce the figure during the game would give further proof that it seemed more like a "reliable figure" that was picked out randomly.

 

Last year the Northampton game was a near sell-out, but apparently less than 13,000 were there. Yet take into consideration the stadium's capacity of 18,900, at the bare minimum a figure of 15,000 would have been more believable.

 

In case you're wondering (!), I draw attention to it because the fans ARE turning up in numbers; support for the Vale hasn't been this consistently strong for years and it's a shame that it's not being recognised.

 

I believe the 18/19,000 figure is for a stadium with a completed Lorne Street stand. The completed half of the LS is 2,500. So at the moment with a half-complete stand, you have to take off 2,500 seats making our capacity is more like 15,500. That makes the Northampton attendance of just under 13,000 more realistic.

 

As for Saturday, I would say as a rough estimate - the two ends had about 1,500 in (I thought the Bycars roughy matched the away attendance of 750). A full Lorne St is 2,500 (and it wasn't quite a sell-out) If the Paddock was 3/4 full that's a further 3,000-odd. That's a rough total of 7,000, so that would mean about 500-odd in the Railway stand (I couldn't see that many in there) to make it 7579.

 

That's how I saw the numbers in the stands and it matches the attendance given.

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With respect, that's a portion of the Railway Paddock. Some sections of it were packed, others were not. Vale fans' traditional trek to the goal Vale were attacking meant that some sections of the Paddock were packed and others (at the far end to the goal being attacked) were not. That photo captured a packed section.

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I believe the 18/19,000 figure is for a stadium with a completed Lorne Street stand. The completed half of the LS is 2,500. So at the moment with a half-complete stand, you have to take off 2,500 seats making our capacity is more like 15,500. That makes the Northampton attendance of just under 13,000 more realistic.

 

As for Saturday, I would say as a rough estimate - the two ends had about 1,500 in (I thought the Bycars roughy matched the away attendance of 750). A full Lorne St is 2,500 (and it wasn't quite a sell-out) If the Paddock was 3/4 full that's a further 3,000-odd. That's a rough total of 7,000, so that would mean about 500-odd in the Railway stand (I couldn't see that many in there) to make it 7579.

 

That's how I saw the numbers in the stands and it matches the attendance given.

 

Your maths looks pretty good there, to be honest. If our capacity is closer to 15,500 then I definitely take your point.

 

Sitting in the Railway, it feels like there's much more than 3,500 - but perhaps my estimations are a bit fuzzy.

 

You've all managed to prove me wrong on a forum, and we're still friends!

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I've zoomed the brightness on this photo up. It's a photo I took and shows the Railway at about 2:50pm. There are some gaps in there. There's also quite a lot of space in the Railway Stand above.

 

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Thats quite an allegation - business fraud!!

 

I would suggest that it is likely to be accurate as Smurf would I believe (1) wish to remain legal and (2) wish to have more money available to strengthen the team as he is unable to do so because of the fair play regs. I would expect that he would happily trade off accurate gate reporting for the extra support that he could supply for Micky.

 

Haha yes a strong allegation.

 

It would never be my intention to show ignorance of Smurf's good work. I was just a bit suspicious that's all.

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You've all managed to prove me wrong on a forum, and we're still friends!

 

It's much better to debate something from different viewpoints and leave as friends rather than depart as enemies.

 

I hope you continue to enjoy OVF... :)

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I've zoomed the brightness on this photo up. It's a photo I took and shows the Railway at about 2:50pm. There are some gaps in there. There's also quite a lot of space in the Railway Stand above.

 

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We're getting into Columbo territory now ...!

 

I think the reason why I assumed there were more in the Railway is because I went through the turnstiles at 2.53pm, and the queues behind me were unreal. These would have filled the seats that are empty in your photo; but indeed, whether it supports my view that the crowd exceeded 8,000 I'm not convinced now.

 

And yes, no need to make enemies on a forum. We can leave the supporters of "the top 4" to do that on the Guardian website!

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