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  1. Hi Stu, I wasn't trying to suggest that you guys were not laying into the Cambridge performance because you'd had Carol on as a guest. More that the fans in general are giving Askey a bit more slack than they normally would because they don't want to be seen to be overly critical due to the massive effort Carol and her team have put in.
    Given that huge effort from the owners I think we all deserve a bit better from the team than we are currently getting. It's not a disaster by any stretch of the imagination, but it's definitely below expectations.

  2. I'm not one for over reaction and cant be doing with hysteria, but feel you are being overly kind in your assessments lads. I think it might be down to the Carol factor, and that nobody wants to be critical when we had such a feel good factor around the club in pre season. But for me serious questions are going to have to be asked if things don't improve quickly.

    Yes we have got injuries, but a lot of has been made of our squad depth, and as such we should be in a position to cover those injuries, so its not really an excuse this season. 

    too many players are under performing, and for a team with four (supposed) quality strikers we should be scoring a lot more goals than we are. Worrall's end product hasn't been good enough, from what I've seen so far Whitehead hasn't got the quality required. Burgess has got that quality but he isn't showing it for whatever reason. we don't look incisive enough and for all our hustle and bustle we aren't creating the chances we should be. 

    The squad has been heavily invested in, and it was widely anticipated we would be a top 6 side this season. Currently we look a lower mid table team, and it needs sorting quickly.

  3. Just managed to catch up with the Carlisle review. Thought you were pretty much spot on with your assessments. I was more inclined to agree with Stu's assessment of the first half than Johnny and Bezza's to be honest, but it should have been obvious that the midfield was testing overrun, and things should have changed at half time. Having said that, as poor as we were, we should have been 2-0 up before they scored, and had we have taken those chances we would have won the game inspire of the poor managerial decisions.
    Thought you were generous to both Legge and Pope. Two senior pros who.were abysmal.on Saturday.

  4. Our Morecambe preview is out now!
    We cover the latest out of the club. Carol's attempts to get fans back in, COVID at Vale and an ex-loanee making a surprising move. Then it's in to the Morecambe match, should be a tough match. What do you think?
    Available on Apple, Google and Spotify podcasts (Plus many more). Also here https://aleandthevale.podbean.com
    Thought the Sproson criticism was a bit OTT fellas. We don't know what's gone on there, but I would be laying the blame at Forest's door. There would have been plenty of interest in Taylor in the summer, not least from us, but Forest pissed about with him. Clubs looked elsewhere and with the salary cap now in place, most will have used their allocated budget by this point. I suspect there were very few options left for him at this stage of the season, and Sproson has had to get him in where he can.
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  5. Interesting debate regarding Amoo if he's fit. You couldn't seem to squeeze him onto the bench. My question would be will he get in when he is fit? And if not is he surplus to requirements? I've never really seen the attraction myself. He wouldn't get in ahead of either Worrall or Rodney that's for sure, and McKirdy is the other option and he gives you a goal threat that Amoo doesn't.

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  6. We're back with a Harrogate preview. Before that we discuss why on earth fans can't go and watch league football, and what our mate Norman has been up to this week. Enjoy!
    Available on Apple, Google and Spotify podcasts (Plus many more). Also here https://aleandthevale.podbean.com
    Just listening to the pod fellas. Couple of points to make. With regard to fans being allowed in the ground, agree 100% with everything you said about Boris' ridiculous rules... But...the Hashtag United video shows exactly why the ban remains in place. While the vast majority of responsible fans will adhere to social distancing, there will always be <ovf censored> who behave like that and ruin it for everyone else. It might be 30 or 40 of them watching a tinpot team, but in league football you could have groups of 4 or 5 hundred doing the same thing.

    Ifollow is a farce, I had problems with the Scunny feed and the Crawley feed failed to work at all. As such I tuned into an illegal stream for the Exeter game. I wasn't comfortable with the club not benefitting but I'm not prepared to shell out for a sub standard service. As such if I tune in to an unofficial stream again, I will donate to the just giving page for the Lorne Street concourse. Either that, or if the club set up its own way of contributing, such as online golden goal or shirt of the back tickets, I'd purchase a few of those to the same value as the cost of the game on ifollow. That way 100% of the money goes to the club
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  7. Agree if she was an MP but does it really matter when they are a councillor?. If it was the other way round you wouldn’t bat an eye lid, it’s only because of your hate for the Tory party. 
    Not true. Well the bit about hating the Tory party is , but I believe if you are elected representing a particular party and it's values and ideology, you shouldn't simply be able to switch sides. It's undemocratic. Any defection to another party should automatically trigger a bi-election. I'd be saying that even if it was the other way round.
    I'm more incredulous about her having been quite vocal on social media regarding inequalities created by the Tories, and her historic links to the miners strike for her to then go and join the very party responsible for all her previous angst.
  8. Ally Simcock.
    Didn't she defect from the Supporters Club citing illness only to rock up as Normans fans liason bod?
    Seems her beliefs and principles are to serve Ally Simcock.  I wonder what personal benefit there is for her in her latest defection.
    I believe she was offered a cabinet position. Which means more money, more power, more limelight
  9. Her business. It's a free country.  Not a subject for discussion here I would suggest. From son of a miner.
    Why not a subject for discussion here? It's in the off topic forum.

    It may be a free country but she was elected as a Labour Party candidate supporting their policies and manifesto. Her constituents didn't vote Tory. If she had any decency about her, she would step down as a councillor and trigger a bi-election.
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  10. Forgot to add my reasoning...

    Southall -was just head and shoulders above any keeper we'll ever see at Vale in my lifetime.

    Full backs - both were basically defensive wingers. Hughes had blistering pace, both could cross a ball accurately and Simon Simon was a cult hero with the best chant for any player while I've been a supporter.

    Centre Halves - Aspo was hard as nails and would run through a brick wall for the team (even played on after that horror tackle from Steve Foley in 92). Deano was so cultured and comfortable on the ball, never seemed in any difficulty in any situation.

    Midfield- You need a ball winner and a playmaker. Goober was a terrier, knew the dark outs and wasn't afraid to use them, but he could play a bit too. Robbie was just class, it was a toss up between him and Ray Walker but Robbie's goalscoring ability got him in there (Ian Taylor missed out as a result)

    Wingers - Chamberlain went on to play for England within months of being in Div 4 with us, that tells you all you need to know.
    Guppy gets in ahead of both McCarthy and Ainsworth because he had more trickery, was a better crosser of the ball.

    Strikers - Jones just on pure goals to game ratio. My Dad knows nothing about football, but even he stopped asking me who had scored for Vale when I got in from the games circa 87. Because he knew the inevitable answer .... Andy Jones.
    Naylor was a pocket genius... Just look at the goal v Sunderland and that tells you all you need to know.

    Subs - Goodlad - Underated due to the era he followed
    Sproson - Club legend
    Van Der Laan - another legend, had it all, a tackle, a pass, and goals.
    Foyle - Less goals than Pope but just such a more skillful player who played at at a much higher standard
    Walker- Vision.... Saw things happening on a football pitch about 10 seconds before anyone else did.

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  11. Personally, I think Maynard's best days are well behind him. I don't think we'd be getting value for the wages he would demand. If we are going to go for a big name at this level and pay big wages for an experienced striker. Brett Pittman would be my first choice.

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  12. An best Vale XI from my time as a fan is such a hard thing to do. I could change it 100 times and still not be happy with it. I've gone for...

    GK Neville Southall
    RB Simon Mills
    LB Darren Hughes
    CB Dean Glover
    CB Neil Aspin
    CM Andy Porter
    CM Robbie Earle
    LW Steve Guppy
    RW Mark Chamberlain
    ST Andy Jones
    ST Tony Naylor


    GK Mark Goodlad
    CB Phil Sproson
    CM Robin Van Der Laan
    CM Ray Walker
    ST Martin Foyle.

    So many Vale legends and personal favourites I could have made a whole new team with the players I've had to leave out.

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  13. Disagree with you about the Fury one. The odds at the time were very much on Klitschko to win , with many pundits and ex boxers writing Fury off way before the fight started. Many boxing publishers like Ring magazine and Boxing monthly have claimed this be one of the biggest shockers in the last ten years. Whilst Fury was undefeated no one expected him to win that night. 
    Klitschko was 1/4, Fury was 3/1. In boxing terms that's not a huge underdog.
  14. Boxing -Fury beating klitschko and Ruiz beating Joshua 
    Football - Oldham beating Liverpool in the fa cup and Bradford hammering Chelsea two seasons after. 
    I hate to bring this one up as it still haunts me to this day but Chasetown beating us in the FA cup.
    Fury beating Klitschko? Hardly a major upset that!

    Douglas beating Tyson was the biggest up set in boxing history. Douglas was a 40/1 outsider in a three horse race.

    Corrie Sanders beating Klitschko was a huge upset. As were both of Lennox Lewis' defeats to Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall
  15. then in todays modern environment, the law needs to be more flexible,  as Charlie said the laws a ass, 
    When you say "the law needs to be more flexible" I'm presuming you mean changing the burden of proof?
    From beyond reasonable doubt to on the balance of probability?
    Then we can expect a lot more miscarriages of justice. Personally I would rather someone who probably committed a murder getting put away for manslaughter than an innocent person getting banged up for 20 years on the basis that limited evidence suggested they were more likely than not to have done it.
  16. ok fair enough of your first paragraph, as for the second, well a charge of manslaughter be it a plea bargin or not, was off the mark surely, it was committed during a burglary, no we did not hear the case but details were given ie 1mile, 40mph, swerving,  as to not knowing, they would have been looking behind to see if they were being followed, then a jury person was changed part way thru the trial, and police were aware of possible jury intimidation...
    I'm not disagreeing with you that the charge of manslaughter was lenient. However the Crown Prosecution Service,with all the evidence at hand must have believed a conviction for murder would be difficult to achieve.
    Nobody knows if the defendants were lying (their demeanor would suggest so) but for a murder charge to stick the prosecution would have to prove BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT that those men knew the policeman was attached to the car, they intended to drag him along and they intended to kill him. Without any material witnesses and with only the evidence of the body and the state it was in and the (probably dubious) word of the defendants, I would challenge you to say how they could possibly convict BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT? I'm sure we've all got reasonable suspicion. But that isn't what the law requires for a conviction.
  17. except perhaps people who drag someone for about a mile swerving from side to side at 40mph, then laugh about it in court...
    but i suppose everyone is innocent till proved guilt.
    Why shouldn't those individuals be treated equally under the law? You can't make exceptions dependant on the perceived severity or morality of the crime. Or because of the lack of remorse or respect shown by the perpetrators. Otherwise it's a make it up as you go along legal system.
    Those individuals were charged with a crime and tried for it. We might not agree that the sentence was correct, but we didn't hear the case, or were party to the full facts. That doesn't mean that we should have trial by newspaper because of it.
  18. We need to set up a development squad with the money saved off the budget to try and push through some good young cheap talent because at the moment nothing is coming through the youth set up as all the good players are going to premier league clubs at an early age. I think most of the 3 or 4 lads sold would have been turning pro this year instead we signed zero
    Presumably that will be Frank Sinclair's role.
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