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13 minutes ago, Packmoor_vale said:
Your actually angry?
No, but I'm baffled. Others seem angry though.
Having read most of this thread and loads of posts on X, do you think this statement with total lack of information, and the attendees answering like politicians, speaking without saying anything, is more gathering or dividing the fans?
As I said elsewhere: what 99% of the angry are angry about, is the utter and total lack of information. And the way they're answering, you'd think they shared nuclear launch codes!
If they plan to come out with more information, they should have waited to make a statement until they're actually ready to reveal such information.
This statement, is just another piss take to the general fan.And I do think that it's baffling beyond belief, and quite contradictory, that one of the points discussed at the meeting was the lack of communication and information from the club.
Just for the attendees to not only agree to such a non-statement, but actually actively engage in not communicating and withholding key information.
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4 minutes ago, Bede said:
Happy to prove you wrong Paul.
Black & Gold have continued to exist since its inception back in about 2008/9, in the background, to gauge fans' feelings and I suppose judge the performance of the club. We have an excellent source of research to delve deeper into things.
Mark Porter is the chair of the SC and, until recently, the meetings were held on the final Thursday of each month. However, we have just changed that to bi-monthly to allow us to have more regular committee meetings to allow us to operate better. Sadly, our website got hacked and damaged so we are struggling for an official means of communications whilst our new one is currently being built. (I'm the SC secretary by the way)
Tell you why we represent you? We listen at meetings and we listen to fans in the stands, in the pubs, on social media and on forums such as this. We represent you by collectively discussing what we can do within our powers as supporter groups. That has led to lots of very frank dialogue with the club over the past couple of months, resulting in this meeting to hit it all face on with the people at the top.Yes, this meeting was face to face. No, we have not been pacified and nobody, not a single person, has changed their views on David Flitcroft or the disconnect between fans and club. I'm absolutely astounded at the bizarre criticisms that we've 'had our bellies tickled' and other such nonsense. As a result of our initial meeting, the club now fully understand the deep-rooted issues the fans have. It is the first step in a long road ahead.
There will, of course, be further communication back to the fans, no doubt from both sides, but we also have to be pragmatic and sensible. We will do nothing knee-jerk.
The fans have had faith in those groups to act for the betterment of the club in the past. We ask for the same again.
What is it that can’t be said now? What is ir we’re waiting for? How can telling people the general answers be ‘knee jerk’?
People just want to know what the h… was said! And I personally don’t understand, why you agreed to this vague statement, saying absolutely nothing. And then all of you present, comes out defending it with all these politician answers, still saying absolutely nothing.
What was said that is so secret? You’d think nuclear launch codes was shared 😵💫
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1 minute ago, JoeB2 said:
It was face to face. I’ll send you my bank details.
So I take it you where present at the meeting? 😊
So perhaps you can explain why this vague statement was agreed upon, with absolutely zero genuine content of the meeting being revealed? I think that is what 99% of people are angry about. That we are still told absolute nothing, and that all fans that seem to have been there, all of a sudden talk like politicians and wont tell a single detail about answers given at the meeting. Did you sign an NDA? In my humble opinion, this is just creating an even bigger divide, instead of pulling fans together. 😞
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Just now, Vtid said:
To be fair he’s played well tonight 👌🏻
I agree! Best performance by a country mile so far!
The whole team actually plays with passion and desire tonight. Long may it last!
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Just now, osprey said:
Flitcroft is really trying
Could we literally be, the only club that needed a striker, that didn't to get anybody in?? Every other club around us got someone...
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Just now, pvfc1994 said:
Fleetwood have Jayden Stockley on the bench. Compare that to our attacking options. It's mind blowing how anybody has let this happen. Let alone for two seasons running.
But we tried, we really really tried. That's all that matters!
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1 minute ago, Vtid said:
He’ll score tonight Baylee 🤣
I hope he does, I really do!!!
But absolutely nothing, as in zero things from his minutes so far, tells me he will.
It's absolutely insane that we have to rely on a kid, a literal kid, nowhere near ready for what he's being asked to do. -
2 minutes ago, Vtid said:
willo & loft haven’t been upto much. Let’s give summit else a go 👍🏻
Agree! Especially since Dipepa has been MoM every time he's featured...
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1 minute ago, WV said:
Try and keep a little bit of faith. It's certainly different! Maybe the manager knows what he is doing and has been doing the work on the training ground for this team to work.
Can he make Dipepa do just something, anything really, to keep the ball for more than 3 seconds in 2 days??
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That line up made my head drop in an instance! Absolutely must win game, and we start like that??? Depressed beyond belief now! 😢
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24 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:
Maybe that reliance wasn’t so much down to AC as club policy is well known, to go out and get top young players in on loan as well as promoting our own youth wherever possible. Also, there have been times where we’ve had no choice but to rely on youth players due to injuries. Not suggesting AC was totally faultless by the way. He was new to management but so was even the most successful manager at some point, they all have to start somewhere. I can’t get my head round the idea the a good coach can’t become a good manager, which was one of the things thrown at Crosby from day one. It may not have worked out for him but plenty of others have made the transition from coach or assistant manager.
I agree with everything you say!
Actually, personally the excuse I hate most when I've been rejected after a job interview, is 'lack of experience'. Because how am I going to get experience, if nobody wants to give me a chance?
So I'll say with AC, I think it was the wrong team at the wrong time. I know his U21 accolades, but managing a L1 team is just something completely different.-
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On 11/02/2024 at 19:00, Guitar Ray said:
Flitcroft, fair enough on the player recruitment side and clearly, for whatever reason, the Crosby appointment didn’t work out. On the flip side, you have to give him credit for the appointment of Clarke, and with it promotion, or are you ignoring that? I’m not a fan of Flickers but I’ll back Carol’s judgement for a while longer. If we’re relegated then the inquest can be held at that point. Up ‘til then the team need support from the stands.
You seem to have an agenda against the owners. I think you’re way out of touch with the vast majority of our fans on that score. It’s easy to come on here spouting drivel so why not make your point, stand outside the main entrance at the next home game and protest away to your hearts content.
For me, one of the things that went wrong with AC was, that we relied on so many young players learning their trade, with a new manager doing the same. You need to have experience somewhere in the mix.
He made as many, if not more, bad decisions during games as the players, and has cost us as many points as the players.
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11 minutes ago, Osh said:
Here's my take on the "Robbie" subject.
My brother, also a huge Vale fan and, like me, supported Vale since a very young lad, were chatting in the pub before the Middlesborough game about what we'd do if we ever won the Euromillions (just checked last night's draw - nada!)
We were both of the same opinion that, if we won £100m+ we'd keep £10-20m so that me/wife/family would never, ever want for anything and that we'd live a wonderful life. We'd give several millions away to charitable causes that we support (we're both close to ex-military causes) and that we'd easily put £50m straight into Vale and, in doing so, want to keep this in partnership with Carol. In my own personal view she has done a sterling job so far and i'd love her to be involved as the club progresses.
Robbie has got far more money than that. There's a great saying that you can take it with you. So, of the $230-250m he's got - and I don't know how much of that is liquid assets that he could call on quickly but, lets say he could make $50m available. If he made that available and chucked that into Vale to work alongside Carol, it would obviously make the world of difference. He and his family would still be rich "beyond their wildest dreams" but he'd also change everything for us.
What I wouldn't want is a former pop singer taking over the Vale and hoping to achieve what the guys at Wrexham have done without someone with a steady pair of shoes keeping a level-headed hand on the tiller.
The above is just my personal thoughts; I have no idea what's in Robbie's head and how much he truly wants to be involved. From the club statement, there are projects that Carol and Robbie have discussed, we can only hope that, if he is going to bring money in that it comes in sooner rather than later.
Looking at the leagues:
- In the Premier League you need muli-billionaires to afford to compete
- In the Championship you need billionaires - people like Coates
- In EFL1 you need multi-millionaires to just be in the league)
Just my thoughts
The subject of money is so touchy.
It's always easier to have opinions on what others should do with their money, especially when they have lots of it.
We all have dreams of winning the lottery, but if one of us really did win, would our second or even third thought be to give Carol a ring for a bank account number to deposit 50m into? I somewhat highly doubt it...
You mention the Coates. Even though they've chucked literally hundreds of millions of punds into that club, their fans still want more and think it's not enough. When is enough enough? They're buying players for amounts that could fund our club for seasons, and still it's only enough to just about compete at the level above.
As I said elsewhere, I think the plan with bringing in Rob is for him to attract bigger sponsors and investors. Just like at AFC Hollywood. The owners there have chucked in cash, yes. But the biggest chunk of the cash, is from sponsors a club at that level usually could only dream of. United Airlines is their main sponsor. Why would an American airline that only function in the UK on a relatively small scale, want to sponsor a League 2 club with millions? Same with Tik Tok they had before. Not to mention the Amazon deal for their 'fly on the wall' thingy. Just take a look a their sponsors, and it's mainly big American brands.
I think that's what the Vale are hoping Rob can help do for the Vale, amongst other things.
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3 minutes ago, Osh said:
FFS stop talking sense!
I agree, it's making me anxious 😒
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1 hour ago, Brian Johnson said:
But that is the burden that he's got to live with & try to balance is if he puts £1 million into the club, some fans on social media will say why's it not £2 million.
Anything he does for Vale, he will alway's be questioned with why are you not doing more
Reading some of the posts both on here and on Twitter, some people seem to think he should just empty his bank account into the Vales.
Some people seem so entitled! Just because he's made it big and is rich beyond his wildest dreams, he somehow owe the Vale money, because he dares to call himself a Vale fan. Read somewhere "he should give the Vale 500k, which is like 500 quid to me".
Don't get it, I really don't.
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Just now, TJHValiant said:
Not the club, and I don’t think Rudgie would want that either as he said that himself.
Okay 🙂
So it's Rob you want to pay for it?
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4 minutes ago, TJHValiant said:
I agree with him, but will he? Why not before? I mean I totally agree with currying his favour and think it is a good move but I think we will be disappointed. I think, over the years, the Vale have given him far more than he has put in. He gets free games and lords it up in a box named after him. He was allowed to use the club for a charity gig which was to fulfil his personal ambition to play at Vale Park, yet he left the pitch in a right state.
Yet the greatest manager in the history of the club has to write a book to pay for his own statue! Sounds totally unfair to me and Robbie will probably get a statue at Vale before Rudgie.
I just think Carol is a bit of a Robbie fan and the whole thing is a big celebration of him.
Just playing devils advocate here: do you really want and expect the club to fork out hundreds of thousands on a statue, as things currently are the only place that really matters?
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2 minutes ago, TJHValiant said:
I don’t get it either and wheeling out Robbie at the end of January with a ceremonial “ President Role” was a bit unexpected and seemed a bit of a desperate way to drum up a bit of positive news.
Maybe they're hoping that by associating Robbie closer with the club, they can bring in bigger sponsorships like AFC Hollywood have done?
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1 minute ago, valiant_593 said:
Dipepa and lomax look way off this level at the moment to me. Walters too. All 3 need a loan move. The only one at the moment that I think is worth having in the squad in Shorrock. Plant is good enough as well obviously. No idea on Brazier have a feeling it’s all agent talk otherwise he would have been involved with us.
Feel most sorry for Dipepa, because he's always being brought on when we're chasing a goal. So he's literally being asked to do a job he's nowhere near ready for yet. Just goes to show how lacking our recruitment has been up top, when we have to rely on a kid who's not ready, and then spin it into 'good development'. Mental that is!
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2 hours ago, Micko said:
Listening to Andy Crosby’s interview after yesterdays game, he said the club had said it would take 3 transfer windows to improve the side into where we wanted to go as a club. As this is the second window, I would expect some business to be done by the club in this current window that will benefit the side otherwise it’s a waste of one of those windows.
I noticed that too. But after last years Jan window, I haven't got high hopes...
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7 minutes ago, Vale1995 said:
Months on injury problems. Would of thought we would of got a couple of faces in early doors to help with the problem....
Why? It's Vale and it's January. We'll get an injury prone midfielder on deadline day who, by the way, is out for the first 2-3 weeks of his time here.
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18 hours ago, worldsendvalefan said:
And there lies the problem. We have a system where the coach manager ends up with players he may not really want. The DoF system may suit the premier league with such large squads. But I have never thought it is needed in league 1. Nor do we need loads of stats analysts
Yeah, Man U are trying the 'no DoF' in the Prem, and that's going beyond amazing isn't it 🤣
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6 minutes ago, smithie said:
I'm 100% sure they'd rather not have the obligation to do them (l assume it's obligatory). The cosy chats pretending to be interviews rarely reveal anything interesting.
100% agree!
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1 minute ago, Guitar Ray said:
If you want to take what any manager says after a game as gospel then that’s up to you but in my experience a large slice is waffle. Crosby isn’t alone in this regard, fans of clubs up and down the country will be scratching their heads at their managers comments this morning.
I actually rarely listen to it, pre or post, as I think it’s absolute hoohaa 99% of the time.
PVFC Meet delegation of fans regarding current concerns
in Port Vale present
Posted · Edited by Danish Valiant
Thank you, THIS is what the statement should have said and what other attendees should have replied.