valefan79

Most of the time I would leave a game like that deflated and angry but as I have said numerous times, already resigned myself to league 2 football next season. We have a truly awful side, no character, no fight, bunch of players who are not likeable apart from Ripley and Garrity. That second half performance was one of the worst I can ever remember, I slated Crosby after the Stevenage cup replay but this was way worse than that. I have no idea what the team talk was but my word, we were battered. I said with 10 minutes to go, even at 2 nil we would lose by 6 playing like that at Derby. We literally had 1 attack in the whole half, it was embarassing. Moore was my choice to be manager and it won't be on him if we go down but these 4 games have been shocking and I did not expect free flowing football but if that is what we need to get used to, negative changes, being battered by a bottom 2 team at home, it will be a tough watch. We have gone from a manager who wants 70% possession to a manager who seems happy to have hardly any of the ball.

You can add the likes of Peterborough, Bolton, Oxford into games we won't get anything from, that would leave 9 games left to get 6 wins, not a chance.

A league 2 defender, football ability wise would be National North, will always give his all but out of depth at this level.

Tempted to play the kids for the rest of the season, already down, budget will be cut for next season, be lucky sell 3500 season tickets, the gate on Tuesday will be what we need to get used to. The season can't end soon enough, even the dreadful season under Bruno and Brown, we had more fight about us than this lot.

I said a few weeks ago Cheltenham will get out of it and Charlton whilst on a shocking winless run are showing fight the last few games with draws against Bolton and Portsmouth will have too much quality as well. For me the bottom 3 are gone, we are 7 points off 19th place now, 3 wins off catching them up. I think it will be one from Burton, Shrewsbury and Cambridge.

Yet another gutless display, not a surprise as these players other than Garrity, Sang and Ripley can do one, no fight at all. I kept hearing in the build-up, if we get 4 points from these 2 games, we are down and I accepted it the day deadline closed. People can forget any winnable games we have, we are not going to win them. We are going down with a wimper and will be playing the likes of Crawley, Colchester and Grimsby again. Bring a friend for free and we get 6300 home fans, yes we are dreadful and going down but Oldham at home in the National League managed get 12000 against Kidderminster.

Would not call anyone thick on here for wanting a change, I hope she has learnt from some of the mistakes she has made and things get better. I would vote no for change but if we are relegated which I think will happen and were struggling in league 2 with Flitcroft still overseeing things, I would be worried how supporters will feel towards her.

Our lowest points in a season with 3 points is 36, I think that is in danger, I can't see a win, maybe 6 draws to avoid that.

Good job we had a good spell of 6/7 games in August/September or be far worse.

The worst thing for me is could not be bothered to watch on I-Follow or listen on radio and when I saw that we were 2 nil down did not feel anything, I should be feeling anger, hate losing but all the fight for the club has gone from me at this moment in time. I resigned myself to going down the moment the transfer window shut, that was when I knew we had given up. The worry for me is this squad is going to be fighting in league 2 for survival, from this bunch of wasters, I would only keep Ripley, Debrah, Plant, Chislett Ojo and Garrity, beyond that I am struggling and there is no way Chissy or Garrity are staying.

If it is 4 at the back tonight and we lose and play rubbish, can we not have people saying we have to play 3 or 5 at the back as we have been awful for over 12 months with the same formation. Lets try and give 4 at the back a go, the formation was a concern when Clarke was in charge and him never changing and been carried on ever since.

Carlisle, Fleetwood and ourselves are gone, we have no character and fight in that team, Cheltenham have a bucket load of it and will get out of it which will be an amazing achievement after 2 points from the first 12 games. For me Shrewsbury will join us in league 2 next year.

Do the bookies think Reading are getting another points deduction because how are they those odds based on current form and why are Burton shorter than us, if they beat Carlisle at home on Tuesday they probably be 7 clear of us.

Got to start picking up results and quick, 3 away games and we have to win at least 1 of these. Teams who I thought would struggle a few weeks ago finding form, Burton now 4 points clear of us with Carlisle at home Tuesday, could be 7 behind them after. Reading now 3 clear have Fleetwood. What I hate seeing is when you go more than 3 points adrift, that is when it becomes tough, lots of games to go but make no mistake, we are well and truly in a dog fight.

Waited as long as possible before posting to give time to see if we get anyone else in but if this is our transfer dealings done, I am disgusted and fuming. It was clear to everyone before the day we needed a LWB and 2 strikers. We have signed a centre-half and a winger, I have always liked Mighten but unless Crosby does something that we have not done all season and go 4 at the back, that is a pointless signing, he is a winger and not a wing-back or a number 10. This is a shocking window for me if completed, we are a Wilson injury away from having Loft on his own up front, that is shameful and an insult to us Vale fans. We took a gamble last January when well clear of the drop zone and nearly paid for it, this time we are 3 points above the drop zone and we have done the same again. If we lose at Fleetwood, I will be calling for Flitcroft's head. I am Crosby's biggest critic but he has been dealt a shocking hand.

How is it post of the day , just because you agree with it. I am getting tired of the injury situation and that being our excuse for being rubbish since September and outside the drop zone because of Reading's point deduction. We like many other teams in our league and throughout football are dealing with injuries because football is different than years ago, more games, less recovery time, players not playing through the pain barrier, scientists telling managers when and when they can't play and many more issues. This is why it was criminal to go into a season with one recognised LWB in grant who missed virtually the whole of last season. After the window shut, we had a forward line of Wilson who we know from the past has never been able to stay fit regular, 5th choice striker from Bristol Rovers and Thomas who had never kicked a ball in the football league, we then a month later sign a player who has not played for 6 months who took 3 months to get anywhere near fit. We choose to give Jones a 2 year deal who we know has spent more time injured than fit. I keep hearing all these injuries but the nucleus of that team Ripley, Smith, Ojo, Arblaster, Devine Ojo, Garrity, Chislett were all fit for that awful run from September to December, they may have missed the odd game but other than Clarke I fail to see who we have missed as Wilson despite being quality, we should have been expecting him to miss and plans should have been in place for this. I just fail to see how without 2 forwards one of which needs to know where the back of the net is how we are going to go on a run that will see us comfortable in mid-table, the defence is leaking goals and can't keep clean sheets and we need 2 or 3 goals to get a result.

4 massive days to bring in a LWB and 2 strikers, 2 players have to be experienced or we are in massive trouble. If we bring in more inexperienced players, it will be like the relegated season whereby we are experimenting with bringing in unproven players in the hope that we stay up.

Bit harsh, did a great job at West Brom, took over when 10 points adrift in April and nearly took them to safety then got sacked when 4th in the championship. He did a really good job at Doncaster, then Sheffield came in for him, got a record number of points not to go up automatic but went up in the play-offs, got sacked because like at West Brom crazy owners. At Huddersfield, no matter who they appointed would be struggling, they have a bottom 3 budget along with Rotherham and for them to stay up they would be doing really well.

Looking at the Cheltenham report, they were apparently much the better team again today losing at Derby just as they were at Bolton in the week, they are certainly having a go unlike ourselves. I still see them getting out of this, looking at their next 3 games, Wycombe, Burton and Cambridge, can see a few wins for them, massive game next week for us.

We needed a striker before today, we now need 2, one of which has to be someone with experience and not a kid and not someone who is 5th choice at a midtable league 1 side.

4 points above the drop zone as things stands, yes we have a number of games in hand over the bottom sides but we have to be really careful and for me we need more players than just the loan signings we have made. Williams, Weir and Gore look good but all very young players and for me I feel we need a couple of experienced heads as well. Reading and in particular Cheltenham look like they are picking up form, Cheltenham tonight despite getting beat at Bolton much the better team and I still expect them to get out of it, big result for Exeter tonight winning at Bristol Rovers,

Don't disagree about being a good foil for Alfie May but seems strange on their part to try and go and get an out finisher and then having that fall through to go for the exact opposite.

Strange transfer business by Charlton if they want to sign Uche, they gone from wanting guaranteed goals in Clarke-Harris rejecting them, someone who will get you 20 - 25 goals a season to going for Uche, a player who will be lucky to get you 5. Whilst not been a massive Uche fan, he has improved of late but one goal which was a mistake by the Charlton keeper is a poor return for a striker, regardless of his other strengths. For me if you are a striker, the minimum I would expect would be double figures. If he is to go however, we have to go out and get 2 strikers.

If people want more permanent signings than loan signings then you need to accept that you will have a drop off in quality with a lot more average players, we are not going be able to sign players with the quality of Ollie or Alfie. We are in league 1 and most teams outside of the premier league rely on loan players now. Plymouth last year relied massively on the loan market with Azaz and Rogers, great players at that level. Bolton had probably the best 2 players in the league in Trafford and Bradley, great premier league talents and again you could only get players like that on loan. You have only got to look at Hull in the championship, in the top 6 made up of half of their side being loan players, they could not afford quality like this and would be bottom 6 probably if not for the loan market.

Absoutely gutted by Alfie going back, for me he is quality and with a better forward line, he would have looked even better. I really can't understand that we have had a top 6 league 1 midfield however have played most of the season with a league 2 standard forward line, Wilson apart our strikers are not good enough. We have to replace him, I know people saying we have lots of options but these are no where near the standard of Alfie or Ollie, coupled with Ojo and Garrity out, we are short of quality there, this has to be addressed for me or we will get dragged into trouble. Sang for me has always looked better in a wing-back role which he has grown into and for me Lowe should not be played in midfield, whenever been there, the game has completely passed him by and like playing with 10 men.