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5 minutes ago, Dipepa delight said:
Correct .
What's with ojo does he think he is something special cause he isn't.
The other statement you made is spot on.
I guess he had no faith in players then if set up for a 0-0 every game.
The turning point was Ollie going back and Devine going to Plymouth as game v Wigan Blackpool and Charlton he was getting in the groove we were scoring it was brilliant and i thought maybe play offs if carry on doing there thing .
D Gore who didn't play so you could say in theory flitcroft had the right idea if Ollie and Alfie were allowed to stay I don't think we had of gone down .
Says it all that 2 loan players better than majority of Port Vale players doesn't it
Yes Ollie going back was the beginning of the end and not bringing in a LWB and ST sealed the deal.
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2 minutes ago, Dipepa delight said:
I still cannot understand the mentality.
Was the set up at Bolton same as Peterborough as that set up showed no ambition
You play to win not too keep the score down .
Moores negative set ups are as much too blame for relegation as the players inability to fight to put pride in the badge .
Under Crosby at least in the games prior to Carlisle away where we gave game away (sound familiar as we must have given about 20 defeats away through our own play not the opposition doing anything special )there was something under Moore one 58 minute performance v Bristol Rovers h where the players put in what Horton Rudge Adams teams did weekly not for 60 minutes odd of a new managers tenure .
I cannot believe that Moore hasn't improved us .
He hasn't
If anything we have become a lot worse .
Unless he was told to take them down due to the flitcroft saga .
So it looks then like it's the fans fault .
We see what a good manager he is now .
Why waste time let's have the list today forget Cambridge be only 1000 odd there .
I’ve got a different take with negative tactics.
I thought Moore made us compact, better organised and we started keeping clean sheets and managed a few results. Once we had to win and be more positive on the front foot we were very easily picked off and conceded goals for fun. I think this is the main reason our home record is atrocious. Combine that with a team which finds it very difficult to score I honestly don’t think DM had a choice. History has shown us when we concede 1st we lose so the only way to combat that is to sit in, keep a clean sheet and play for setpieces.
If we had pace we could counter attack but that’s just another story of our arrogant recruitment.
The difference with Crosby teams though we had a very good midfield with Blaster and Devine so we could keep the ball and try and attack. DM hasn’t had that luxury. The squad he inherited was significantly worse than Crosby’s plus Ojo has been sulking and stopped playing.
Generally we ended up with a very poor group of players, one of the worst in my lifetime.
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1 hour ago, Old School said:
As most have already commented, the retained list has got to be minimal. There are as always differing opinions but the general consensus is keep Ripley, Chis, Garrity and the young'uns, all the rest ought to be binned. I fully accept that some of the players were never L1 standard which some on here have put forward the argument that they will do a job in L2. I understand that point of view but personally disagree with it. This season my biggest frustration by far has not been the players ability, or lack of, it has been the fact that that they are quite simply serial bottle jobs. In match after match this season they have shamed themselves and the badge with pathetic, gutless performances against opposition that was there for the taking if only they had shown some fight. This cowardice got worse as the season unfolded and was at it's worst in all those must win games that they never once broke sweat or put a foot in where it hurts.
Lack of ability I can accept. Lack of bottle I just cannot.
Get rid, start again.
To me this is why we need a complete clear out along with players under contract. Move as many on a possible.
Release everyone out of contract, those under contract put on the transfer list.
It’s the only way to change the culture.
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18 minutes ago, Granville said:
Anyway, who's up for a Clarke-Harris and Bannan masterclass next season then?
I’d prefer Micheal Smith on the end of crosses from Jack Shorrock and James Plant.
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14 hours ago, TJHValiant said:
National league striker? Not those hopeless prospects again. Ricky Miller was meant to be a non league powerhouse and was crap for us. Non league players are non league for a reason.
That’s so wide of the mark you clearly don’t know much about National Leagues.
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7 minutes ago, Vtid said:
It’s just not feasible to get rid of every player mate. We don’t have the money to pay them all off who’s under contract. Unfortunately we’re going to be stuck with quite a few. I agree with the youngsters I’m looking forward to seeing how they get on next season
Players like Grant it’s feasible for L1 clubs to takeover the contract unless the players want to sit in reserves of L2 and pick up money. That would be my choice to them…. Unless of course other L1 clubs look at his record last 2 seasons.😀
If we were still in L1 it would be different and they would the contract paying up but dropping a division we could use to our advantage.
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I don’t buy into Carol needs to fund a promotion. Personally don’t feel that’s the best way to build a squad. We will have a top 10 budget anyway in L1 due to the nature of clubs.
I’d prefer to get rid of every single current player and get seasoned pros around Shorrock,Dipepa,Plant,Walter’s and Lomax.
Find clubs to take existing players contracts on other than the obvious assets worth a bit of money to sell on.
A clear out is necessary to get rid of a losing nice guy culture over the past 2 years.
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3 hours ago, valiant_593 said:
Again the success at Sheffield wasnt exactly difficult. He seems to do well with sides with money. I’ll base it off how he’s been here. Dire. His tactics suggests he Dosent have a lot about him to be honest.
It’s convenient you haven’t mentioned Huddersfield, his most recent role. Two relegations on his Cv in one season, can’t wait for next season.
3 clubs he’s done well with. 2 of those had big resources in relation to the league competing in.
This season looks 2 poor outcomes however at both clubs he’s not had much of a transfer window to bring in his own players so I do think it’s a bit harsh judging him on both Huddersfield and Vale. I would also point to the fact Huddersfield have continued to look a poor team despite a transfer window and a new manager. That’s suggests the problem wasn’t necessarily the manager but poor players for the level… sounds familiar!
I can’t argue with you on the outcome of tactics but for balance he has tried every single formation to get these players going and it’s just not worked out. The quality of the players is just not there nor is the squad depth. This current squad is the worst we have ever had in L1 and I think would struggle to get mid table in L2
I don’t think Moores deficiency is tactical to be honest. It’s not as if he’s been wed to a particular system like we’ve seen many managers before him. He just doesn’t have the tools as his disposal.
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1 hour ago, Rampant Zebra said:
Do you mean "on the pitch"?
Too much sun 😀
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11 hours ago, Valiiant said:
I get that. And doing so was her biggest mistake. Mistakes happen, and can be forgiven. Just want her to take accountability for her actions this season and show us all she's determined to put things right. She was taken for a mug by Flitcroft and she can't let that happen again, for her sake or the clubs.
Carol’s accountability will be funding 1mil + income black hole for L2 football.
If lessons are learnt going backwards to move forwards can sometimes be a good thing although it certainly doesn’t feel like it at the moment.
In my view this summer will be the biggest during Carol’s reign.
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22 hours ago, philpvfc said:
Just hope Carol doesn’t lose interest. Can’t see any big money spenders wanting to buy the club, certainly not to invest their own money in to the club and get the club to thrive. Carol has some big decisions to make, bring in the right personal, invest a higher percentage in to the playing side and we can turn things around again. Our biggest problem has left the club, get a decent recruitment team in and things can become better very quickly, look how many players we brought in on our promotion year, it can be done.
At last some common sense on here.
The reason most clubs struggle financially is because the owners lose interest OR their primary business starts to run out of money.
Every club in the land, except 4, plan to loose money but increase the businesses value through CAPEX investments. The rest is a decision on wages and whether to fund overspend and convert this into a share issue or an interest free loan.
I think it’s pretty obvious our priority as a club has not been on the pitch. That has to change if we are to become a stable L1 club.
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9 hours ago, Spunk Trumpet said:
It’s not an “old chestnut” though is it? It’s still raw considering it was only one year ago.
The point being that from that point, give or take a few weeks, the club has been sinking like a ship ever since.
Good people at this club have been tossed aside like yesterdays news. Colin being one.I said all along Carol was being gaslighted by Flitcroft. I’ll stand by that forever and a day. And it’s not an easy thing to come to terms with once you realise it.
Her relationship with Colin always seemed strong. And especially Clarke.It was a sad end and the start of our ultimate demise unless an absolute miracle happens on Saturday.
This is fact. I not going to say how I know but here are the facts.
Colin was contracted to stay with the club to help the transition for Carol and Kevin so they could learn the ropes before doing it ‘their way’. He was due to leave after the pre season anyway but it was bought forward to March because It was unnecessary for him to stay beyond the end of season following structures implemented. The club felt well prepared and informed to tackle pre season duties without his experience.
A good man wasn’t tossed aside as you keep putting put it. Please stop peddling this line. It is incorrect.
A CEO leaving is not the reason the ship is sinking.
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59 minutes ago, Spunk Trumpet said:“We would like to place on record our sincere appreciation to Colin for his support and commitment, especially in the early days when we purchased the club, during which time his football administration knowledge, understanding of the industry and experience was invaluable to us.
“Colin is a good man, a friend and somebody we will always be grateful to for his advice and guidance when we became custodians in 2019. Colin and his family will always be welcome back at Vale Park and we wish both Colin and his family well in the future.
“I am really excited about the leadership team we have built and the plans we have in place, initially in the short-term in what will be our first full close season since we became custodians, and then also in the longer-term as we continue to grow and improve to fulfil the objective of becoming a Championship ready club, on and off the pitch.
“We will communicate further details on the new leadership group in the coming days and weeks. Clearly, it was important to us that we showed our gratitude to Colin and informed Vale supporters of the changes before Colin leaves us.”
On behalf of the staff and supporters, Port Vale Football Club would like to place on record its appreciation to Colin for his contribution and service to the club. We wish him and his family all the very best for the future.
Colin will also leave his role as a Trustee of the Port Vale Foundation.
This weekend, Colin will be at Vale Park for his final match at the club in an official capacity and will be on the pitch at half-time to receive thanks from staff and supporters for his dedication during his time at the club.
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This was announced on Friday 31st March last year.
The man had 24 hours to then say a goodbye.
No notice. Just basically get gone.That was the statement.
This was two weeks before sacking Darrell Clarke as well.
13 months down the line and it’s been a catastrophic error of judgement, or just a sheer power trip.
You don’t do 7 years service at a football club, get advertised you’re gone on the Friday, say your goodbyes on the Saturday and never to be heard of again.
Make of it all what you will but critical think these things.
It’s why “we are where we are”.It’s got nothing to do with Colin. It was a bit <ovf censored> and very corporate though how he left. What was worse was how Colin was left to his own devices at half time to say an emotional goodbye. Not a single soul on the pitch with him which I thought was very distasteful. This tells you everything how the club is run at the top.
Colin’s enjoying retirement in a sunny climate.
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4 minutes ago, Wandering Seagull said:
No, he probably won't. But the question was, why did you sign him? The reason was, he had an excellent season playing in this league last season.
................and that is a straight and accurate answer to a specific question. I don't know what makes it different playing for Morecambe and playing for Port Vale - that is for you to discuss and analyse. His time at Port Vale has certainly been a disappointment - whatever the reasons..
We were desperate for a cheap loan and our previous DoF was obsessed with PL2 player market.
Weir was also terrible for Blackpool this season and struggled to get in their side.
Poor player. A good example of football nepotism.
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I’m neutral with Moore.
He inherited Flitcrofts squad, a team full of nice guys who are losers. The squad he was left to work with is pretty embarrassing, quality wise. Limited is probably the best way to describe it. I really don’t think he’s had much to work with and don’t see how anyone could keep this group up. I’ve always tried to be positive as much as possible since he arrived but it was always out of hope.
If Moores up for the challenge of a rebuild in L2 then I would be happy for him to do it.
If Moore leaves I don’t trust Carol to make the right appointment.
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6 minutes ago, Wandering Seagull said:
Perhaps because he scored 10 goals from midfield in this league last season, for a team fighting relegation?
He is absolutely <ovf censored>. He will never ever get anywhere near your 1st team and will be very lucky to play above L2 level next season.
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Thankfully I’ve not been able to see our last 2 home games.
Looks like we are getting what we what we deserve in relegation. The stats on the season are horrendous.
Carol has really <ovf censored> up in my view. Placed too much trust in a DoF who looked like he had all the money and power with unequivocal support and unquestioned, shows more interest in community awards and personal honours than the football side. With piss poor recruitment and extremely top heavy costs in non playing football staff this is a very avoidable relegation which I think is completely self inflicted due to poor decision making by her.
Major rethink needed of football structures within the back room teams, to more wisely spend, what’s going to be minimum a reduction of 1million budget. I would try and offload every single player except lads from the academy to rebuild. This group of players are losers. No winning mentality with senior players demanding standards. Too many players in this squad have previous relegation on CV’s.
The jury’s also out on the manager for me. The players he inherited are <ovf censored>, I think this is why subs always make us worse but this is Flitcroft’s vision of L1 players so it’s unfair to judge him on this season. I do have a nagging doubt though…the way he talks in press conferences about ‘Port Vale Football Club’ rather than ‘we’ makes me believe he has a relegation release clause. If that’s the case and he does go I’d be very concerned Carol can make the right appointment.
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19 minutes ago, JRC said:
The money and hours they are on means redundancy isn't a big cost. Maybe 25 times 3 hours a year. For the most part they leave after 3 or 4 years when they've finished college. We aren't even talking tens of thousands in risk. I'm sure they'll use some agency labour to cover the larger away followings.
You don’t have any costs outsourcing ramping up or down your resources.
There is a reason we are an outlier in the EFL with this approach.
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1 hour ago, JRC said:
I don't know about last year's changes but a lot of the previous changes were linked to insourcing catering because it was cheaper than subcontractors. These are not high paid staff, mainly youngsters on part-time minimum wage contracts for match days.
Yeh I get that in 1 year is a change but 2 years running is a bit much.
I personally think it’s bad business to bring services in house. You may have an operation saving cost but you can’t ramp up and down quickly depending on circumstances as you increase your employee liabilities fore redundancies etc. should the worse happen.
Vale are an outlier in the football league on this approach.
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2 hours ago, MowingMyLorneStreet said:
The average number of employees has gone UP by 79, it hasn't gone From 79 to 319.
We do have a lot more employees than other similarly sized clubs though
Put this into context.... Shrew bury Town employed in 2022 166 staff and 182 in 2023.
Crazy, absolutely crazy.
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16 minutes ago, Doha said:
A 30% rise in employees in one year!?
How many would get made redundant because of the club's negligence in the last 3 transfer windows causing relegation to L2?
Don't forget the from 115 staff in 2021 to 246 in 2022 !!!
Are we really spending money in the right way? Do we really have the right priorities as a club?
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19 hours ago, ollyandpatch said:
Deklan Wynne signed on a short term contract....So who is injured? Debra?
Kasper has gone missing from the squad. Maybe he has been sent back to Barnsley ?
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53 minutes ago, Hitcher said:
Plant is good. Appreciate he got completely rinsed by the leagues best winger and leagues best left back last night, but also in many instances won the ball and actually got some decent crosses in when he had the chance. Apart from that garrity volley, the only other bits of quality in the entire game from us came from plant.
We all dream of a team full of Garrity's but my second dream would be a team full of Plants.
I don’t disagree with anything you have said Hitcher.
My argument is Plant along with the other lads are not 1st team ready. Some of the comments I read about him and Walters, Shorrock & Dipepa it’s like fans expect them to be dependable 1st team L1 players and my point is they are simply not. 1st year and 2nd year pros. Fans forget that, I suppose that’s because the state of the squad.
Highlights the flawed strategy of the season by the club.
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10 hours ago, gags 64 said:
Let's go through that 11 tonight
I'll discount Ripley, Smith and Garrity as they are the only players I would start with each week
Lowe - not league 1 standard
Iacovetti - likewise
Grant - career over
Walters - non league
Massey - nothing player
Plant - not a defender
Ojo - has given up
Loft - National league at best
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Chissy - not league 1 standard
Dipepa - not ready yet
Uche - immobile
Shorrock - not ready yet
What a depressing line up, seriously would struggle in league 2
Although no world beaters Debrah or Lopata have got to start before Lowe in a back 3
Terrible loans in January, Gore, Mighten, Weir, Williams. Why did we bother with any of these
It's all a bit depressing
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Ripley is one of the most overrated keepers I can remember at Vale. Bottom end L1 GK.He wouldn't get any any of the top 8 teams. He's x10 better than Stone and Stephenson from last year which is why fans think he is good.
Smith is a fantastics L2 player, he's not a L1 defender.
Sell Garrity 1m + to reinvest in the team.
Plant, Walters, Shorrock,Dipepa shouldn't be anywhere near the 1st eleven. All players with potential to develop and bring in and out of the match day squads and from the bench here and there.
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Players I never want to see in a Vale shirt again
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During this run of games I thought we were. Considering the players at Crosby’s disposal and Moore I personally think it’s a very unfair comparison.