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38 minutes ago, werstayinup said:
Not a dig,so you ditch a manager with like it or not a proven track record(not given time at Huddersfield to rebuild,they are still bottom 3 without him) after 16/17 games with NONE of his own players at all? Totally agree with everyone that the football has been very very poor maybe even worse and sadly for him he isn't the Adams type manager at interviews that some demand(it's what happens behind closed doors thats important to me).
We all have differing views on managers that come to Vale BUT one thing i will always do is give them a chance with their OWN squad and see where we go from there. only my opinion of course and again we all differ so i respect your views also
Onwards and Upwards me owd fruits
"A proven track record" 5 wins in the last 39 even with poor squads paints a different picture. Perhaps the "track record" only comes with a sizable budget. I guess only time will tell, or not.
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1 hour ago, Packmoor_vale said:
It’s pretty <ovf censored> obvious she knows she has made mistakes
Some of u seriously need have a look at yourselves keep bangin on and beating her about a letter who really gives a <ovf censored> about it it made absolutely no difference to anything
It isn't just the letter though is it. There are a lot more examples that as owner she has overseen and been responsible for, that have upset supporters in one way or another. I for one, being a long term ST holder have taken a good look at myself and decided along with with a few others I'd imagine will not be renewing. Those actions speak louder than words.
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20 minutes ago, Rockape99 said:
I looked and your talking out of your anal sphincter
Nothing wrong with my sphincter, but suggest you either don't know or havnt looked in the right place then.
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At 1st thought would be good for us. Maybe ( if he stays) proves me wrong, but on what he's done so far I don't think he will be the manager that brings any success. Just read a stat and not checked it out, he is currently 5 wins in last 38 games from Huddersfield to us. That's sh*te at any level.
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2 hours ago, Rockape99 said:
£11.7 million PVFC & £6 million Synsol Holdings for the ground. If you don't believe me take a look on Companies House it's free available information.
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1 hour ago, manc_vale said:
Another poor night in what is a memorable season for all the wrong reasons. Can we just stop it all now and say we are down. What a god awful season this has been.
- Terrible recruitment
- Poor pre-season - and this is despite the club being stable. This is usually an indicator of chaos behind the scenes - but no, this was the result of the 'pruhcess'
- Started with a massive wake up call with an absolute hammering by Barnsley
- Couple of fortunate results early on flattered to deceive
- Got found out
- Lost all talent from the side at Christmas
- No recruitment in January
- Injuries to the only decent outfield players
- No squad depth
- No wing backs
- Poor defence
- No attackers
Hate the team and I hate the strip. Hopefully both are gone by next season. Please DM give me some hope for next season by saying how you cannot wait to get rid of the dead wood.. Lets get some new talentless cast offs and bully boy defenders ready for a season in the lump it league. Hopefully we avoid the double dip that has befallen Forest Green...
And £18 million in debt.
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5 minutes ago, Bald Eagle said:
Phenomenal remember - us naughty riff raff in the cheap seats were told that we were all wrong!
All that money spent to take us back where started, but with a worse squad than the famous ‘deadwood collection’.
still at least we got an MBE and a few accolades so not all bad eh Carol?
Don't forget the scoreboard
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2 hours ago, Valiiant said:
Decent point. But if we manage to stay up by the skin of our teeth, 80% of our squad desperately needs to be replaced.
Only 80%
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11 hours ago, bomber said:
No matter how much positive spin you put on things the last 18 months have been dire! Yes we will get the dedicated 3k crowd but it is going to be very difficult to get much of the extra 3k to renew there season tickets. This season has really set the club back to square one. After January 23 you would have thought lessons would have been learnt! To make the same stupid and predictable mistake again beggars belief?
What makes it an even bitter pill to swallow, after Jan 2023 previous shambolic window, the club stated lesson had been learned. Obviously not.
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2 hours ago, boslemportvale91 said:
It's been an absolutely car crash of a season and relegation is an absolute guarantee at this point. And the office upstairs have failed the club miserably.
However. For the first time in years we've got some decent young players coming through the ranks and it's just refreshing to see the likes of Bailey, Walters and plant playing. No one is claiming he's a world beater but for the love of God give the 17 year a old a break instead of writing him off because he's in a bad team. He's just scored two goals for the national team under 17s. What have you done with your life ?
"Fans" like you are exactly the problem with modern day football. Saying he's leek town level is a joke and disgrace and yet if he was to bang in a hat trick next week you'd be loving him
Shame on you for slating the young man.
Totally agree with what you are saying, but you can not deny he was playing for England with and against other 17 year olds. My issue is with our club gambling this season on thinking that this was the answer to where we find ourselves currently. I really hope that Bailey, Plant and Walter's and any of the other up and coming hopefuls go on to have a successful career. At 17 imo he and the others are not and should not have been the answer for this shambles we are in, and could be as damaging to the youngsters careers short and long term as much psychologically as physically.
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18 hours ago, darren1810 said:
We had chance to go top v Burton and pulled in 5900.
I wouldn't call that fans turning out . I'd call that pee poor in League one.
It has to be a sustained run, if we had gone top and were say still in top three now I would like to think the fan base would have increased by a few. Then the alarm clock went off and back to reality or should I say flickarity. If only hey.
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21 minutes ago, MagicFlask said:
Of course it’s a simple answer if you’re a total idiot.
I’m giving up on this forum - it’s a toxic echo chamber taken over by a bunch of people who are so full of themselves and their own opinions- they don’t see the damage they are causing or recognise what they are wishing for- listening to the garbage on here I think at least half of you would rather that Vale had gone into administration back then so you could have something more to moan about- it’s pathetic.
I don’t know what planet you are living on - you’re never happy with anything and you’re always looking for someone to blame for everything that goes wrong.
we are where we are and we need to pull together to make it better.
It’s possibly the most depressing experience anyone who is a genuine vale fan could have - I was hoping for some reasonable discussion about the club and how best to support it but all I hear is outpourings of bile and criticism - sometimes I think you don’t deserve the club - if you’re all so brilliant how come you’re not owners or managers ?
If we get relegated- and it’s still an if - we will still have a club to support, and I will still be supporting them.
as for you, frankly, you can say or do whatever you like but don’t dare to claim you speak for anyone other thanWowzer, fans causing the damage. What are we supposed to do, just clap and be happy in which way the club is going. Wake up and smell the coffee.
ps. Don't just take the view of fans on OVF, have a look at other social media platforms, majority saying the same.
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11 hours ago, JoeB2 said:
Fundamentally it is all on Carol.
She didn't have to appoint him.
She didn't have to give him full control when working part-time.
She didn't have to go along with all the silly infrastructure stuff.
She didn't have to sack anyone with any degree of football experience and replace them with family and friends.
She didn't have to appoint Crosby without speaking to anyone else.
She didn't have to stick by Flitcroft as he continued to balls up windows.
She didn't have to choose to side with Flitcroft over the fans when they started to raise concerns.
She didn't have to belittle the fans who were worried.
She didn't have to keep employing a DoF responsible for 11 wins in 53.
Sorry, we can discuss the flaws of the DoF all night, but bucks stops with the decision-maker at the top. Carol has caused all this through conscious, bad decisions she's made which has been driven by a resentment of the average fan.
And put the club in debt to the tune of c 10M, unless of course this is written off by the lender.
Her self and Flickers have made their bed, they have to lie in it, as the saying goes.
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Original reason differs from what was said in open letter.
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9 hours ago, andy jones said:
Brian
It's the other way round isn't it?
It was, and remains, us that needed and still need her money to keep the club out of another administration.
According to Mike Baggaley's updates she is putting in a million a year isn't she?
Loaned money from SS, all of it to date. The club has never been in so much debt c 7 M. Not illegal, and will only become an issue if the loan/s are recalled. Unless written off by the lender of course. Don't have to believe me take a look on companies house it's free to look.
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4 hours ago, Bycarsbill said:
FGS get real, I'm not asking you nor anyone else to do that! We're all frustrated at the on-field performances, but there is much to admire and be thankful for all the overall improvements made to the club in a relatively short time.
Probably wasting my time, but what I'm saying is that should the Shanahans decide it's not worth the aggro (and I, for one, wouldn't blame them) we really will be in soft stuff!
And so will Synetics Solutions, be in the soft stuff that is.
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11 minutes ago, Birches Head Fred said:15 minutes ago, Port Vale Paul said:Lets see if you say that come the end of December.
Does the season end on December 31st ?
silly question, but i know we wont be mid table either.
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2 hours ago, johnjeffersfanclub said:
Just going to leave this here as a reminder for many to get a grip.
Lets see if you say that come the end of December.
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26 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:
Was not Massey injured?
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A tight calf so AC said post match, and so was Oli and Alfie both at the same time hence them both being subbed at the same time. All 3 looked fine before the subs, but hey ho got to trust the science. Smells a little bit bs,y to me.
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Going to be a tuff game this based on both teams current form, our players confidence post Tues night, they will be nervous of crowd reaction if we concede early on. Can not see this ending well, let's hope I'm wrong.
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2 hours ago, smithie said:
If you're saying we've got no chance of getting anything from Wigan or Wycombe we might as well give up.
Thankfully football throws up surprises and changes in fortune - l doubt many were predicting we'd score three times on Tuesday.
But the question was; If we win one/both of the league of games and beat Boro, would you still want AC gone given where that would put us in the league and Cup?
Wycombe will be targeting the game against us a must win and will go all out to win. The only win we have registered in the last 13 was Exeter which was an ugly win but still 3 points to build on. So onto Tues night I was very optimistic and still had 1 foot in the AC camp up until halftime when Massey was subbed arguably in his best game of the season, my mom at that point, he then goes and takes Oli and Alfie off and changes the whole team set up. AC lost me at that point. I and I've been alot of games this season can not see where the next win is going to come from certainly not out of the crop coming up. Hope I'm wrong but unfortunately can not see it under AC's regime.
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16 hours ago, smithie said:
If you've seen the fixtures of the teams beneath us there's virtually zero likelihood of us being in the bottom four before Christmas. Technically possible, yes but extremely unlikely.
Equally long-shot (but possible) is we win one or both of the League games and beat Boro. Then we're looking at mid-table and two historic semi-final matches to look forward to. So the question is - would you change your mind then? Or would you want out a manager in mid-table and 2 games from Wembley in his first half-season as manager?
I say no more
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4 hours ago, ValeForever. said:
For me @CambridgeDon you can't look at our form over the full 12 month period & pin that on Crosby's record. He wasn't in charge & it wasn't his squad of players.
Again just offering an alternative view, but look at his record for the games he can be fully accountable for.
This season including all League & Cup games:
Total games played = 31.
This is a ridiculous amount of games for us to have played by the second week of December. Our relative success in the cups has definitely had an impact on our squad, not only in terms of injuries but also recovery time & the amount of time they've been able to actually work on things on the grass. Cup runs are great, but they do have a knock on effect especially at our level. You've got to have a big squad to cope & we simply don't have that as a league 1 side. I'd say it's a pretty fair assumption to conclude that had we gone out at the 1st chance in all cups, we'd more than likely have a few more league points in the bag.
Wins = 11
Draws = 9 (Won 2 & lost 1 on pens)
Loses = 11
We've also had two very winnable home games cancelled due to internationals. Fleetwood who were dead on their feet at the time, & Orient.
Hear me out now. If you convert that form over Crosby's time in full charge, it leaves you with 62 points across a full 46 game season. Now some of you will correctly point out that 3 of those games have been against L2 opposition & you'd be right. Free scoring Crewe who are in the top 4 of L2, Mansfield away from home who were unbeaten in 20 games across a 4 month period, & then bottom of the league Sutton, who we beat. It also includes Newcastle under 21s as well (which I've counted as a draw on the stats)
We've only been beaten by more than a 1 x goal margin on 4 x occasions in 31 games. Barnsley opening day. Bristol Rovers away when we played an hour + with 10 men. Unbeaten Pompey away, where we feasibly could've & should have been out of site at half time. Bolton away in the trophy game last week.
I stick to my guns that this season is far from as bad as ppl would have you believe. If you'd have told me we'd be looking at mid table in the league & a QF in one of the 2 x major cup comps, I'd have snapped your hand off & so would most sensible Vale fans.
Could & should we be higher up the league? Yes absolutely, I think we're probably about 6 points shy of where we could & should be. Are we lacking up top? Yes we are, Crosby will know this, he isn't thick. He will be doing everything within his power to rectify that. Please give the bloke a break. I think he's the right guy at this current time & deserves more credit & time with the squad he has put together.I don't know why you are defending the un defendable, when you say you would have taken mid table and a qf in league cup. Will you change your mind at 5pm on the 23rd Dec when we could be out of the cup, and pending other results be in the bottom 4 on current form.1 in 13.
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1 hour ago, ValeForever. said:
This idea that people are "voting with their feet" has to stop. I haven't looked, but I bet if you look at our average home gate this season, it won't be far off the average for the past 2 x seasons. Ppl going on like we've lost thousands of fans overnight. We haven't.
Last night's attendance was <ovf censored> because it was a Tuesday night replay which nobody wanted, ahead of next week's QF v Boro. Simple as that.
We have several homes games coming up in the next few weeks, including 3 this week alone. People are clearly prioritising certain games in the build up to Christmas based on cost. Last night was right at the bottom of the priority list for myself & I'd guess many others, hence the low attendance.
My views on AC. I'm not a massive Crosby fan, but I can also totally understand why the club are not yet looking to make a change. A few points to flip things around a little & see things through the clubs eyes:
We're 6 points clear of the relegation zone with a game in hand on a couple. That's following an absolute stinking run of results. From a League position perspective, what were people expecting this season? Did ppl genuinely think we'd be pushing for top 6? I expected mid table with ups & downs & so far, that is exactly what we are getting.
Freak opening day aside can anybody recall a game we've been battered in? We've been in every single game this season, despite not performing particularly well at times (Cheltenham at home stands out as the 1 x abomination) & struggling for goals. We've lost by the odd goal v Bolton & Derby & not looked a million miles off it.
He's changed the style of football with a brand new squad. They have been together for 4 months & most are on 2 x year deals, including Crosby himself. He's playing in to the clubs ambitions around giving youth a chance if it's good enough. There's an argument to say (& this is all ifs & buts) had we signed somebody who could stick the ball in the net, we'd be comfortably top half & potentially knocking for top 6.
He's made a bit of money through the performances in the cups, including lining up a League Cup QF next week where we stand a slim, yet realistic chance, of pulling off a result & reaching a 2 x legged semi final in a major cup against a prem giant.
Hypothetically, if we beat Wigan on Saturday & are sat comfortably in mid table, then pull off a shock result v Boro to reach the semis, are ppl still calling for his head? I'd also ask, if we were having this season & DC was in charge, would people be calling for his head? I'll tell you the answer, not a chance.
Last night was a kick in the teeth for the club. There's been a few results this season like that unfortunately. We were 1 x minute away from a potentially lucrative shot in the FA Cup, twice. It stings. I'll add, we went out to Exeter at home last season under DC.
Several home games coming up & I think the picture will become much clearer by the middle of Jan. This is a poor League this year & the standard compared to last year is nowhere near. Nobody (bar game 1) has blown us away & that's because there's not alot between any of the teams. Games decided by small moments of quality up top & lack or errors at the back (Bolton & Derby games).
I'm clearly in the minority from a OVF perspective but I think he should be given time. He would get the full season for me, including Jan transfer window. There has to be some continuation at some point, we can't keep ripping things up & starting over. I think lots of ppl are jumping on the sacking bandwagon without considering all of the points, because it's much easier to go with the majority. I genuinely do not think he comes close to taking us down.
Finally, if somebody had said to you at the start of the season that we'll be mid table come the New Year, ask yourself, would you have accepted it?
4 of the next 6 league games are at home & we've got struggling Wycombe & Carlisle away from home. We're 4 points off 11th placed Shrewsbury who we have 2 x games in hand over (they have scored 13 league goals all season & have lost more games than us). We're 4 points off 12th placed Northampton who have also lost more games than us. We have 1 x game in hand on them as well. We've drawn 3 x games over 90 minutes with 3rd placed Stevenage, 2 of those away from home.
Things aren't as grim as ppl would have you believe. I've witnessed much much worse following the Vale. Please show some patience & support. We are trying to build slowly, the club have been crystal clear on the strategy. Back them.
you clearly didn't go last night and witness what went on on the pitch, which may i remind you cost the club £thousands.
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