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13 hours ago, Vtid said:
It’s a poor squad this one. The likes of Sang, Lowe, Massey etc wouldn’t look out of place struggling at the foot of the football league. Smith was one of those players so I’ll add him to it. Ryan loft etc it’s on par mate 😂
Admittedly with Arblaster and Devine playing, the current team won away at Mansfield in the Carabao Cup. They are about to gain promotion to L1. We did well against other top teams in that division aside from throwing the game v Wrexham when the idiot manager failed to make second half subs properly. In other words, with some new players added to current players, the facts don't support your point of view at all. I do accept that L2 is a big step down from L1 and that is why the current squad would be challenging for promotion. Also, the young players coming through, if retained, will strengthen the squad.
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4 minutes ago, Vtid said:
Gottta be one of yeah. Can’t argue with that
It is nowhere near as bad as the squads when we were looking like going out of L2.
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3 hours ago, Alan Vit said:
Absolutely not.
The Academy spend already IS going into the first team, whether it is players coming through at relatively smaller costs or players being sold to boost the club's coffers.
On Vale's gates, together with Vale's other income streams, the only way we are ever going to be even League 1 ready is by having an excellent youth policy.
The successes of Vale's Football Academy have been among the few bright spots of this season - let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.I was interested to watch Walters last night. He is a L1 player in my opinion. He was perhaps, if anything, too deferent to Ojo when on the ball on occasions. Dipepa is at L1 level as well and could be a higher level player if he keeps scoring his goals. Shorrock and Plant are difficult to assess. They would cope well in L2. Because their positions are more anonymous I am not clear how far they can go.
There are four things that have cost us this season. Firstly, allowing a proven goal scorer to leave and not replacing him with a proven goal scorer. Secondly signing or retaining a shed load of defenders / wingbacks who look L2 level. Thirdly signing players who were injured / not fit when they're actually needed immediately. Fourthly, the fiasco of replacement young loaned players in January - lost two very good ones - and replaced with players who are not L1 standard and may never be. We also actively signed a young player who was injured!!
The problem with a successful youth policy is that Dipepa and Walters have to leave the club to progress. So then that money has to be reinvested in acquiring players that are good enough for L1 and will stick around for a few years. We haven't got that task cracked at present.
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26 minutes ago, Hitcher said:
This is the worst type of relegation where it is based on mismanagement, malaise and overconfidence.
If we were promoted as scrappy underdogs, had a much smaller budget and we fought hard but narrowly went down, you could accept it.
The problem is we are left with a team of losers on lg1 contracts, who have nothing about them.
The only players I want to keep will go, and I don't blame them. Garrity and Chislett both deserve a decent move to a mid table league one team.
Aside from all that the only thing that gives me hope for next season is our youth team. Seems like we are beginning to get that pipeline of players and most I've seen have been decent. Also the plant, Shorrock, Lomax crop etc will all be a year older and hopefully a bit more physical.
Uche was man of the match v Exeter and Wycombe. Deservedly so. Ojo is good holding midfield player. Garrity OK. Chislett has scored some goals, but gets tackled often in vulnerable positions too deep.
At L2 level, Ojo can be a useful older player who controls the game. His problem in L1 is that many of the other players, particularly the whole back 5, aren't good enough on the ball. So his attempts at controlled possession and constructive passing can be ineffective.
I'm fed up. I know PV isn't the wealthiest club, but there is no reason for us to have a team that got relegated. There are several clubs above us such as Lincoln and Exeter I'd expect us to compete well against. So, I guess I have to accept mismanagement prior to Darren Moore and including the former DoF are to blame.
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The last 2 years have been failure. I say that without being the owners who have to fork out. I'm sensitive to that. But surely we could have established ourselves as a safely positioned L1 team. Carol is responsible for this - of course as the owner of the business. I accept football is fraught loss making task!
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19 minutes ago, Valiiant said:
Like...how?
I'm intolerant of posts like this. Tale the trouble to write sentences and paragraphs.
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18 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:
Crosby wouldn't have kept us up and Moore won't either. Puccini couldn't get a tune out of this squad, it's so unbalanced, has no leaders and so many players are not good enough technically for this level, however it's not DM's squad.
The Exeter and Wycombe games clearly demonstrated the deficiencies.
DM is not going anywhere so the funds have to be provided so he can identify and recruit the necessary players to put an end to this footballing downward spiral or else the real unthinkable will happen.
I think it would be pointless to have appointed DM and his support staff and not back him. I can see he knows his stuff. Tonight was a good strategy in the circumstances. No one can cope with the gross defensive errors v Exeter and Wycombe. The answer starts with better players.
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11 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:
Crosby wouldn't have kept us up and Moore won't either. Puccini couldn't get a tune out of this squad, it's so unbalanced, has no leaders and so many players are not good enough technically for this level, however it's not DM's squad.
The Exeter and Wycombe games clearly demonstrated the deficiencies.
DM is not going anywhere so the funds have to be provided so he can identify and recruit the necessary players to put an end to this footballing downward spiral or else the real unthinkable will happen.
There is a risk of a downward spiral. However, such is the gulf between L1 and L2 this squad with some changes could be challenging to come back straight away. It depends partly on the owners as they are going to need to fund a L1 team at L2 level. I would divert plans to improve the stadium / pitch to the football side.
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11 minutes ago, Spunk Trumpet said:
One final thing…..
That first 6 minutes.
<ovf censored> me. I know fans can exaggerate at times but honestly, a pub side would have been at least one up.
I actually thought that crap professional footballers had been replaced for 6 minutes by blokes who’d won a raffle.
Shameful.
For thousands of pounds a week, it was utter shameful.Yes, this was so disgraceful I was seriously considering walking out. It was so bad, I contemplated if the left side defence had taken a bribe.
But fair play, the team finally got going and deserved better than a loss.
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Darren Moore hasn't been able to arrest the free fall he inherited. Part of that was taking over amongst a series of games where there was no time to reset. But I don't really know what he can do with a defence that flushes games down the toilet with gross mistakes. As per Saturday and tonight.
But I can see he is a good manager and I'm ready to stand by him next season.
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The defending down the left hand side at the start of the game was awful. After a few near misses it cost a goal.
Their second goal looked well offside. But I need to see if there is something at the origin of the ball that changes that. The linesman in front of Lorne Street got a number of things wrong including a throw in that was obviously PV given to Wycombe. Unfortunately we could have done with the lady from last Saturday running the line in this one.
The team tried with all its might and created chances in the first half in particular. But really Wycombe were a better team and Vale needed to huff and puff to get anything.
I think the whole defence needs sacking off. When we needed a tight ship in the last two home games they've been anything but. I thought we looked L1 level going forward. But it looks too late now.
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13 shots, 3 on target. Keep the back door shut, there is still hope. However, Burton are beating Cheltenham 1-0.
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Defence 0 out of 10. Doing OK going forward but need to take chances.
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It looks like an up and under team to me. At leasst the defence will give the ball a punt when they give it away. To be fair Loft will put himself about and Uche played well on Saturday until he gassed.
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I like Darren Moore. I think we have also put in place a good coaching team around him. We haven't sorted out the scouting side of the organisation post Flitcroft.
For many supporters like me, the Exeter second half was the final straw with many in this squad of players. It wasn't Darren Moore's fault. Nor was, for example, Smith kicking the ball to the opposition striker soon after kickoff whilst Ripley is out of goal as happened in his first home game.
Tonight is a critical moment. If we can somehow stay up, then the approach to next season is different than going down. But fundamentally I believe if Darren Moore has a good set of players for either L1 or L2 he will get some good results. I can see he can coach and he handles public relations well.
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The team was ok first half v Exeter with Uche leading the line and holding the ball up. We looked threatening going forward and were adequate in defence. But second half, Uche obviously exhausted and taken off, the team had nothing going forward or in defence.
I will say Ojo is decent midfield player. The problem is other players can't play. Give the ball to Chilslett, he's often too deep and is easily knocked over and dispossessed. Garrity is useful in forward areas, but not central midfield. Our wing backs are dreadful defenders.
Why was Weir signed? I'm seeing Natuonal League with him. Our youngsters, Dipepe aside, are not L1 level yet - maybe never.
But we just have to give it max effort and hope we have a bit of luck. It's a confidence game and we must hope Wycombe don't score first or the wheels may come off big time.
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The fat lady has picked up the mic. But she hasn't sung yet. So we just have to give it everything and hope on Tuesday. It is handy Burton are playing Cheltenham.
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15 hours ago, fuzzyvalefan said:
I thought Uche looked a bit surprised and gutted to be taken off if I'm honest but Loft wasn't an option. He was injurred in the warm up and was on the bench in name only.
To me, in the Lorne Street, Uche looked completely knackered. No surprise given his time off with injury. He was deservedly man of the match with his hold up play and carrying of the ball first half. He is why we were competitive with Exeter first half. After he went off we lost our means of going forward. We had nothing else. Exeter are a good side and they just pushed up and pressed the whole second half. Our defence is not good enough and a team that move the ball well, press well and cause defensive mistakes easily prevailed. I looked at the faces of the Vale players after the first Exeter goal, confidence completely drained from them. Not being able to bring Loft on was a problem. He would have caused a threat in behind and provided a target. Instead we had nothing up front. Dipepa is a goal scoring forward when he's facing forward and able to run at defences. But he's not a target man who can be played through / off.
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2 minutes ago, philpvfc said:
Exeter have never really looked in danger so Caldwell has never been under huge pressure of being sacked. Nobody can argue with the sacking of Clarke or Crosby after the bad runs we went on under their leadership.
I felt Crosby was stuck with the ball going back and forth at the back. Moore has got PV to have a structure and play forward. But our players are not good enough. A good defence yesterday would have soaked up Exeter second half and hit on the break. We just looked like conceding goal after goal and did against a side that moved the ball well.
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Reflecting a day on. Uche was very important because first half we were able to play target man football. But he was spent by half time - coming back from injury. Without his effectiveness Exeter, who improved second half, just pushed up and pressed. We were not good enough to play through midfield and our defence wasn't good enough. Clearly Loft doesn't have the skill of Uche and Moore preferred to bring on others. But there is no way Weir is a good replacement for Uche.
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13 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:
Moore didn’t do much wrong? Really?
Exeter were bottom of the bloody league not long ago and got promoted the same time as us, oh and lost their best playersUche could have gone off earlier. It’s not him being subbed that’s the issue, the issue is replacing him with a hopeless midfielder rather than a striker. Surely Darren could see the change in tactics from Exeter? I’m guessing not as he left Sang and Grant isolated.
Gutless performance against a side at the beach who were bottom not too long ago and have a goal difference of minus 15 and sit in 12th.
Exeter most definitely weren't on the beach and they're a good side. If we moved the whole of this team to L2, it would be pushing for promotion. But there is a big gulf from there to L1 we haven't bridged. I think the backroom team including manager are now much better. But we likely do need to sign / bring through better players.
I don't understand why you can't see that it's the players we have signed before Moore got here is the issue. They're not good enough. There clearly has been marked improvement at Exeter. They looked faster and more skillful everywhere. Could do with changing their keeper perhaps.
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Uche did his best. But was spent after 50 mins. Ojo is at the requiree level but needs others round him. The whole defence is not good enough in or out of possession. Hoping Dipepe can do it up front on his own wasn't going to work. Weir is not L1 level in my book. I hate to say this but Loft should have come on. At least he'd have made their pushed up defence think more. They addressed our other main threats in Garrity and Chilslett by pushing up and pressing.
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12 minutes ago, osprey said:
The thing that sticks for me is that I watched a dreadful game at Exeter earlier in the season where Exeter were even worse than us
Now look at it - Exeter recruited well and are miles ahead of where Vale ☹️
Yes, I've a lot of empathy with that. Exeter solved their problems and now have a very good side.
I don't see what more can be done by Moore. In the second half only Ojo is at Exeter's level aside from Dipepe perhaps. They pushed up the pitch and countered Chislett, Garitty and the whole defence couldn't play out.
To play against good teams our players have to be able to move the ball in coordination at pace under pressure. They can't. Also the wing backs can be got at on the deck.
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1 hour ago, valiant_593 said:
We’ve also got a manager who saw their tactical change at half time, ignore it. Let them batter us, then take our best player on the day off and bring on a competition winner.
Uche was absolutely shattered when he went off. He should have gone off earlier in my opinion, possibly at half time. I don't accept Moore did much wrong. Exeter were a much better side than us. The players have to go out and perform and they were simply outplayed by a better team. To be honest I watched Exeter warm up and thought we were in for a difficult game. We did well to be ahead at half time, but were no match second half.
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Darren Moore
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Posted · Edited by Warren
We had a good start? Lost 7-0 away at Barnsley on the opening day of the season. One of the worst results in the Club's history.