Loggerheads Sage

Sorry mate, past caring about this. Was proud of it at one stage, embarrassing now. Port vale FOOTBALL CLUB

2 nil up v stevenage in the cup and lost. Not 4 2, but lost, cost us mega bucks. Will never know re Crosby, but I do think the players were fighting for him. Real culprit, well we all know the answer to that one. The January transfer window was just unreal

Always seems to be to be many many more stewards than there used to be. Probably even more post Ted

That was my first thought . Hoping it's tactical to nullify them

That was the scoreboard, not the pitch. But the capital costs still have to be repaid every month Pitch was that bad , it simply had to get sorted.

I've no knowledge, but why would he have put that amount in without control of the club? Doesnt make sense. If he is after them, I agree, that would be a disaster for a decent club. Would the EFL allow him to own another club after the disgraceful way he acted with us? Who knows with that shower of <ovf censored>

I think that's right, I just wonder about the players reactions. There seemed almost an anger from some when Crosby went, as if to say it's not him that should have gone. There did appear a distinct lack of fight, unlike now. So from that way of looking at it, it could be partly down to him belatedly going. Doing much better now, just hamstrung by the lack of quality up front. With a decent striker, it would have been 6 points , but 1, from the last 2 games. Still struggling to get my head around 6 games v shrews, Cheltenham and Fleetwood, bringing just 1 point. 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 defeats would have seen us nearly in mid table. Shocking really. 3 sides in the bottom 6, excluding us

Well, I did say national league or L2. I don't know what the financial risk is as I'm not privy to Wilson's contract details. I'd assumed that as he was released and had not got fixed up, we negotiated a more realistic deal, along the lines of a low basic wage along with a higher play/ goals bonus? Could be wrong because, as I said , I have no information whatsoever as to his contract details. Some sublime moments off him, but I think this ship has sailed now personally

Surely he will get fixed up at national league level, if not L2?

I think that's spot on, except Shrewsbury already have 45 points and only need 1 win. It's us or Cambridge I feel. I have a horrible feeling some of those ridiculous dropped points, e.g. Fleetwood will do for us in the end, sadly. Hope to God I'm wrong

How sure are we on this? I seem to remember the last default the EFL didn't deduct any points, said it would be unfair??, and fined the owner - who no doubt didn't pay

And making the same mistakes in January 2024 has totally killed us

Good points, but I think the " restructuring " of the budget In January 2023, ie deciding not spend/improve and wait for the summer had more affect. Coupled with the unfortunate events around DC. God how we have missed him!!

He's on a wind up mate. Ignore

Heart overuling head?

That's not tenable

Surely even nice port vale couldn't have lost money on the robbie gig could they? Any other club would have made a small fortune

Holt at Accy reckoned a million. My guess, 3 quarters, including away support. Depends how we do in L2 of course

Minimum of 2 goals conceded in every game, and against mostly poor opponents

I don't think it has been. A poster said vale fans have low expectations and Carol is being saved by meeting them. I took that to mean meeting the low expectations, not meeting some fans?

No

As it turned out we had enough points when he was sacked to stay up, although of course, we didn't know that at the time

Not sure how there can be any debate really?

Why don't you start one?

I think he has failed the d###head test