Jacko51

So you ask hundreds of questions here about the meeting but don’t have the inclination to go and ask face to face? And you don’t go to games to give your support but seem desperate to hear gossip from people who do? Is the sun in the Canaries getting to you?!

Yes to all your questions. And just to clarify yet again for the umpteenth time. The club DID NOT invite us, we asked them. And they didn’t know until the afternoon of the meeting who was attending. And you have no idea the part played by members of B&G in explaining to Carol at the Cheltenham game in 2019 what Norman was doing and why they need her help. You have no idea of the amount of digging about Norman which went on and which got him quite worried. How many Vale games to you get to? You said you didn’t attend often. Is that because you live abroad? If you check the Vale website you will find contact details for the club. You can email them and ask if you can make an appointment with Carol, Matt Hancock or David Flitcroft. Let us know how you get on.

I can’t believe you think we didn’t ask “pertinent questions”. Have you read Bede’s account of the meeting? In order: Because she thinks he is doing a good job despite evidence to the contrary. On deadline day the guy they had lined up wasn’t allowed to leave because his parent club hadn’t got the replacement. They had agreed a deal with an out of contract player and were gazumped. She didn’t answer. No she isn’t. Because rebuilding the whole block means shutting access to the Paddock and moving the fans. Didn’t want to do that in the season. Hope this helps.

Why do people make stuff up about that meeting when they know bugger all about it, Doha? It’s infuriating. I should have taken a photograph of everyone there but PA would probably have accused us of having it photoshopped by the Palace.

I suggested nothing of the sort. The people in that meeting were all known to each other from previous campaigns against owners at Vale. We fought against the self interest of V2001 and the disgraceful ownership of Norman Smuthwaite. In this case we had no issue with the owners, indeed we have huge respect for them. We simply wanted to convey the feelings of the fan base about the current situation on the pitch and who should take responsibility for our failings. We also raised a number of other issues about the disappointing fan experience on matchdays. I have huge trust in all the people who were at that meeting and I have to admit to being seriously pissed off with the negative response of a number of posters to what we were trying to do. Shouting at the internet achieves nothing. Face to face discussion may just achieve something. Please feel free to organise your own meeting and invited a cross section of 8 to 80 year olds to attend.

Sorry, I should have added the three guys on Zoom. So it was actually 11 folk. My better half were quite a lot he saw his first game in 1950 and mine was 1972.

My response was because a poster suggested those at the meeting weren't genuine fans. There were young people there as well. Take myself and my better half away and the average age is dramatically reduced! I'm not sure why Joe Biden is relevant in this debate - is he a closet Vale fan??

My better half is in his 74th season. The club chose who came from their side - the fans had no control over that. Not all of those there were old fogeys.

I would be delighted if this happened but I think the meeting last Monday demonstrated clearly to the club that it was necessary. If we get a forum, that meeting will have been largely responsible in my opinion.

The 8 fans who attended the meeting in person had nearly 500 years of Vale support between them. Is that genuine enough for you?

Mighten.

I never understand this. Bring out one of our quicker players to the halfway Line and they will bring out two. So with their keeper back, a guy taking the corner and two marking our speed merchant they will only have 7 In our box instead of 9. Does that make sense or am I being daft?

Flitcroft brought in 5 players in the January window. One never made it onto the pitch before he was sent back to his parent club. Of the others only one started today. That is simply pathetic and he should be on his bike.

Why do we need a DOF, especially in League 2. We have a manager, a head of recruitment, dozens of other support staff, a CEO and a COO. We could put the DOF salary towards a package for a decent striker?

He started one league game for Plymouth last year.

Excellent post Tony and I concur with every word.

You mean they aren’t funny?

That last question is key. You can question whilst still supporting.

I don’t think bad mouthing Mark Porter was funny.

Read Granville’s post on the first page of the thread as an example.

The problem was that some fans were not just expressing opinions but were actually making assumptions about various aspects of the meeting then reporting as if they were true.

I would say that if you produced a word cloud of the meeting “accountability”‘ would be front and centre in large letters.

Have you read Bede’s post above?

I would say the rift is probably smaller if the club has actually sat down with fans and listened to their concerns. As I asked another poster above, what more did you want to know about the meeting?

If dialogue has been opening the status quo has not been maintained.