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Iron Curtain

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  1. Final one

    Drew with Barrow

    Drew with Cheltenham

    Lost to Mansfield

    Lost to Oldham

    Lost to Forest Green

    Won at Colchester

    Lost at Bradford

    DDLLLWL - 1 win in 7 and 5 points from 21

    That's the other promoted team Cambridge

     

    The point here is that seasons are long, hared and there will be sticky patches. 

    Its about how the team and manager handle these bumps.

     

    Don't lose your heads, don't be short termist. Back the boys.

     

    UTV

     

     

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  2. And another

    Lost to Port Vale

    Lost to Walsall

    Beat Cheltenham

    Drew with Carlisle

    Lost to Crawley

    Drew with Exeter

    Drew with Cheltenham

    Lost to Tranmere

    LLWLDLDDL 6 points from 27

    That's Promoted Bolton MID-SEASON... I didn't even consider the fact they lost 4 and drew 3 of their first 8 games!!

  3. 4 hours ago, Iron Curtain said:

    Woeful performance ... Players need a kick up the backside which I'm sure they are getting listening to DCs post match interview.

    Hopefully no one expected us to win or draw every game all through the season and as DC keeps saying, football is a tough game and there will be bad patches throughout the season.

    Stick with the lads... get behind the club and let's put it right on Saturday.

     

    As an aside.... who remembers the following list of results:

    Port Vale 0 - 1 Morcambe

    Torquay 0 - 1 Port Vale

    Port Vale 0 - 2 Exeter

    Oxford 2 - 1 Port Vale

    Port Vale 0 - 0 Bradford

    Port Vale 1 - 2 Southend

    Bristol Rovers 2 - 0 Port Vale

    LWLLDLL - 4 points from 21 (1 point from the last 15 available in that run)

     

    That's our 2012-13 Promotion season... AFTER we had made a bunch of Jan signings

    Don't get caught up in short termism.

    UTV

     

    As an addition to this... and I pinched this off someone on facebook.

    Whose 7 game run was this last year?

    Drew with Salford

    Lost to Bolton

    Lost to Barrow

    Drew with Stevenage

    Drew with Colchester

    Drew with Bolton

    Drew with Newport

    DLLDDDD

    That was Champions Cheltenham

     

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  4. 51 minutes ago, DannyBezza said:

    sorry it was not meant personally. Emotion was high he comes across as a very committed and decent bloke if I am honest. Personally I don’t rate him as a footballer. It’s a game of opinions and I don’t really see what he offers at all. Give me Walker or Taylor or even burgess before him who have some technical ability on the ball. I will give you he works hard and runs and there maybe games we need that, but a game where we have more of the ball we need technical footballers on the pitch for me. 

    No stress mate, knew it wouldn't have been anything more than a footballing opinion. And trust me I was as emotional as the next bloke last night.

    Walker / or Taylor have a real chance now with Conlon's ban to stake a claim. 

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  5. 13 minutes ago, Wrex said:

    "don't like the bloke", not lad. But I'm sure Bez means he doesn't like him as a player as there is no reason to dislike him as a person. Poorly phrased.

    Totally agree... I'm 100% sure there is no malice in it at all and it was a slip of the tongue... Bez was quite rightly emotional after the game as I was!

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  6. 8 minutes ago, geoff1 said:

    cut the crap clarkey, sort them out, judging by garrietys interview  on u tube somethings wrong in the dressing room! the league table does not lie, we need a win on sat.🤢

    Absolute nonsense ... unhelpful negative bile.

    Just listened to it for the 3rd time... there is NOTHING, absolutely zero to make anyone think there is a problem in the dressing room.

    Super weird.

     

     

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  7. 3 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

    Team were atrocious first half granted. But we were set up completely wrong and once again predictable. Players didn’t show as much desire but the formation gave us no chance. 

    I'm not sure I buy into this formation bashing.

    That very formation had a 53.3% win ratio and 1.87 points per game before the Bradford game.

    Players let us down yesterday.

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  8. Good honest Pod lads... Personally I think Bez went a little too far when he used the phrase "I don't like the lad" when talking about Garrity. But I think/hope that was a slip of the tongue and was meant to be a reference to his technical footballing ability rather than a view on the an himself. I may have also misheard so apologies if that's what's happened,

    The pod also raises a very interesting view of Sproson... personally I think he is conflicted and shouldn't be used on Radio Stoke to further his own business and self serving interests.

    Thankfully Flickers and DC are weening Port Vale off his toxic bosom.

     

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  9. Woeful performance ... Players need a kick up the backside which I'm sure they are getting listening to DCs post match interview.

    Hopefully no one expected us to win or draw every game all through the season and as DC keeps saying, football is a tough game and there will be bad patches throughout the season.

    Stick with the lads... get behind the club and let's put it right on Saturday.

     

    As an aside.... who remembers the following list of results:

    Port Vale 0 - 1 Morcambe

    Torquay 0 - 1 Port Vale

    Port Vale 0 - 2 Exeter

    Oxford 2 - 1 Port Vale

    Port Vale 0 - 0 Bradford

    Port Vale 1 - 2 Southend

    Bristol Rovers 2 - 0 Port Vale

    LWLLDLL - 4 points from 21 (1 point from the last 15 available in that run)

     

    That's our 2012-13 Promotion season... AFTER we had made a bunch of Jan signings

    Don't get caught up in short termism.

    UTV

     

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  10. 2 minutes ago, MBE said:

    Will agree to disagree on this. 

    GK is so much more than shot stopping ( I still don't think Cov is good at this level at it). George tops the list is a decent shot stopper but is not a good all round keeper at this level.

    Cov is still the weak link in our team and( nothing to do with Sat and I'm not suggesting he should be replaced by Stone) to imply he's one of the better GK's in the league using these stats is very misleading which is why I think they are absolutely meaningless.

     

    Those things outside of shot stopping are some of the areas Covolan is better than the average.

    He’s decent. The stats back him up.

    Football fans, vale fans in particular have a need for someone to target their frustrations at and in some people’s eyes he will never shake the sendings off. 

    But yes, let’s agree to disagree because to call him the weak link, even before the narrative of lacking a commanding centre half, is very wrong in my opinion.

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  11. 9 hours ago, toyahw said:

    No need to panic. I just don't think we are as good as we think we are. Today was a terrible capitulation against a rubbish team. 

    Thought there were no false positions after this many games?????

    Make your mind up!

    PLS (post loss syndrome in full flow)

  12. 5 hours ago, toyahw said:

    Give it a rest with this teams out of position crap. After 16 games no one "is out of position".  Mansfield are poor. Are Oldham " out of position". Lazy excuse for us being  piss poor against poo teams.

    No. Oldham are a poor side and we shouldn’t have capitulated. We dominated them but they caught us out.

    Its a pretty simple concept that Mansfield’s league position when we played them wasn’t reflective of their squad and potential. As proven by them winning 5 games on the trot since. They out performed us. They are not a “poo” team by any stretch.

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  13. Quotes from Oldham fans on Twitter after someone tried the usual banter crap about us being poor.

    “Vale looked a class outfit. Well organised and buzzing with confidence. Much like bury when they won the league. Who we also beat at boundary park”

    “Not sure what you watched they passed us off the park created 3-4 times as many chances, their finishing was poor though. 

    We got lucky”

    “Miles better than us and bullied our back 2. Thought they were decent.”

     

    We were let down by one aspect today… DC and team will sort it

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  14. 29 minutes ago, MBE said:

    The list contains some of the worst teams in the league. It's ONLY means the keeper has faced more opportunities to make a save. Not that he is any good.

    The formula to calculate goal prevention is nonsense which is why its meaningless.

     

     

    There are also a lot of keepers from the worst sides in the league who are not on that list.

    The keepers of 4 of the 5 bottom teams don’t appear.

    6 of the bottom 7.

    9 in the bottom 12 (aka bottom half of the table)

    Not sure that particular point of yours stands.

     

  15. 20 minutes ago, MBE said:

    The list contains some of the worst teams in the league. It's ONLY means the keeper has faced more opportunities to make a save. Not that he is any good.

    The formula to calculate goal prevention is nonsense which is why its meaningless.

     

     

    Colchester are the only team on that list that could be classified as one of the worst teams in the league… and they RAVE about George and claim that without him they would have been dead and buried already.

    He’s a good keeper. 

    Of the other teams Tranmere, Orient, Swindon and Hartlepool are not “the worst teams in the league”… the contrary infact.

    That leaves Salford… Tom King is someone a few on here were touting as a good signing for us and is a good keeper.

    And that leaves Mansfield. I don’t know lots and lots about Bishop. But he is in good company in that list.


    I get your point, but 7 clean sheets certainly shows Covolan is doing well (let’s not forget the meltdown about how poor our defence is on here tonight), total saves also backs that up for a team 3rd in the league.

    You can attack Prevented goals for its loose interpretation… but it’s certainly not “absolutely meaningless”

    UTV

     

  16. 18 minutes ago, MBE said:

    This kind of formula stat's for GK's are absolutely meaningless.  

    I would suggest that list contains some of the best keepers in our league… so they can’t be that bad a guide.

    They need to be taken with some context but they are certainly not “absolutely meaningless”

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  17. 6 minutes ago, valeparklife said:

    Let's remember where we were last season.

    We're doing fine, as gutting as this result is today.

    Our recruitment on the whole has been the best it's been for years, but I've got serious concerns with our CBs and a minor concern with the GK.

    Martin and Johnson just don't look right. And I'd like to see Covolan's shot to save ratio as it seems like most shots he faces tend to go in?

    We absolutely need a big 6'4 rough CB in January. A head it kick it type.

    6th in the league for prevented goals. 3rd for saves out of the top performing keepers. 2nd for clean sheets.


    Albeit before today’s game… that said he did make some decent saves today too. 

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  18. 8 minutes ago, jeffers said:

    The wheels have not nor will not fall off. Our basic game is good, the football we play is good. We have lost our two best strikers and the back up is not clinical enough. Same would happen with any other side in our league. Beginning of the season Legge & Smithy were immense, again back up is suspect. Let’s get to Xmas in contention then the real work starts, as the old saying goes it is a marathon not a sprint. We need to cut out the schoolboy errors and hope our injuries clear for post Xmas run in. Thanks to the feel good factor that Carol has created, it shouldn’t be difficult recruiting in the January window.

    Great post

  19. On 01/11/2021 at 21:10, toyahw said:

    Only time will tell. Personally I thought we gave them too much respect in that game is all I am saying.  We didn't play well, we got a point.

    Told you Mansfield were on the march.

    Good side, hugely underperforming before we played them… seems we were unlucky to catch them as they kicked into gear.

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  20. 1 minute ago, Beech said:

     

    I just want us to not be typical Port Vale. Finding a way to lose against a truly rubbish side in a game you were well on top of for the majority, in front of a big away crowd, is sadly the most Port Vale thing ever.

    I get that… it’s hard to take.

    But a view that the wheels are falling off is a bit over the top and won’t help the general mood when we need to be behind the lads. Especially given there is a loooooooooong way to go this season.

     
    UTV

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  21. 11 minutes ago, Beech said:

    Every season most sides have one or two games that really define how there seasons pan out, you melt. Let's hope losing a lead twice against one of the worst sides in the league in the manner we did doesn't turn out to be one of ours.

    This feels like an emotional view again… I bet if someone could be bothered to do the research it would actually show that this isn’t the case.

    Examples of a team who were good and then completely capitulated after one or two bad games will of course exist but would, I imagine, be in the minority. 

    There will be far more examples where good sides lose games they shouldnt (Bolton 3-6 Port Vale) and just then figure it out and continue to be a good side. 

    The ones that stand out probably do because they are so rare, interesting or emotional.

    Again… that’s just football though. Part of the fun, or not as in tonight. 

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  22. 18 minutes ago, Beech said:

     

    Well, you're obviously entitled to your opinion. But how we react to today will be massive. Lose against Walsall and I'll feel like the wheels are well and truly about to come off. We've seen it happen before too many times.

    “The wheels” won’t have come off… that’s an overly emotional view…  in my opinion of course. But that’s normal, it’s football’s and football fans.

    Even if we lose, We have had runs of results under DC that have been worse than that and then gone on to figure it out and go on extended winning runs. There will be plenty of time for him to figure it out.

    The season doesn’t end on Tuesday night if we lose with our 2 strikers missing.

    What will make an impact is if fans lose their heads and turn against the side rather than supporting them. Again… football fans so I don’t hold my breath.

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