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33 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:
We did enough to miss plenty of opportunities to either bury the ball in the back of the net or make a simple pass to a better placed player. Chislett, Uche, Garrity, Smith should all be scoring.
We had 5 yes FIVE good chances to score.
On top of that yes we had a few good chances created but the final ball was shocking and didnt even create a chance to score.
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1 hour ago, Vale Ball said:
Watching all the videos of the goal and the players celebrating its obvious that the players haven't thrown the towel in, the fight spirit and aggression that's been missing was back in spades on Saturday.
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Thats what was so pleasing to see.The fight from the whole team was there. Has been missing big style for many weeks. Hard to single out anyone but Smith and Loft were teriffic. Little bit of confidence now, first for a long time. A win on Friday would be fantastic for us fans. Just think what it would do for the players...
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4 minutes ago, Biddulph_PV said:
We joke, but that wasn’t even League 2 standard today. I think a National League team would have beaten us today. Horrible performance and if that’s a sample, we’ll be in trouble next year as well. An absolute disgrace of a performance.
Honestly, I think I’d stick the youth team out now, perhaps preserve with Ojo & Garrity and maybe Ripley & Debrah.
The teams today were poles apart. They were no great shakes but were quicker and more determined, had a clear idea of what they were doing, played quick little triangles to beat “the press” (haha) create space and run at us. Pretty simple really. We couldn’t (be @rsed to) do the basics like tracking / following runners and it could - sorry should - have been 5 or 6. It wasn’t actually contest really after the now customary goal off a corner. And, I’ll remind you, their form has been shocking. But hey, we all knew Vale would help out in that regard didn’t we??
I’ve said before but everything about the club looks a mess, in fact, you could be forgiven for thinking Smurthwaite was back running the show. The fans have taken to more & more sarcastic chanting.
My support for Moore - and this is still not his mess - has however been shaken today, such was the nature of the performance. I felt the team actually looked reasonably balanced at the start, and was hopeful we’d follow up the “success” at Orient with another solid performance today. How wrong was I.
Do we even work on defending set plays?? Why did the players look like they were running through treacle compared to Oxford?? Why were we so comprehensively outplayed that he felt it necessarily to make a double-substitution 5 mins before HT (I’ve have gone triple actually and got Jones off as well).
Dan Jones game one of the memorable fullback performances, for all the wrong reasons. Lowe was exposed for what he is….a player that was released by a struggling L2 side. Debrah, so right-footed it beggars belief why is is played on the right, Massey was never in the game, Mighten who was busy and threatening but defensively awful, Wilson trying to do it all himself, Chislet running around like a headless chicken….. I could go on. But I won’t, I’m starting to bore myself now.
I’m eagerly awaiting some sort of statement, comment, whatever because something is clearly amiss behind the scenes, it’s got to be.
Might be a silly statement but " have the players given up "
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31 minutes ago, markh said:
Imo DoF is gone at the end of the season. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was part of the deal to get Moore. Moore told to make the best of the rest of the season, they all know it’s over but if a miracle comes along we’ll take it. Moore has free rein next season and funds available. Moore only has one choice right now, tip it bollix and walk out now criticising the club and players or stay, be here next season and start again. His reputation is shot if he hangs onto end of season raking up losses then jumps ship.
Glad to see this in writing BUT until i see or hear it from Carol, i question if a season ticket will be for me next season.
Flitcroft HAS TO GO and NOW. The recruitment team, analysts etc all have to go.
Carol HAS TO GIVE HER FULL BACKING to D M and allow him to have full control over recruitment, whether this be him and his management team or his own choice of recruitment team.
Without this statement NOW i believe we will see a 40% drop in season ticket sales for div 2 football next season. Div 2 football is guaranteed i am afraid.
I am not sure D M is the right man but he is the chosen one so he has to be backed by Carol. What i am sure is that Flitcroft has to go. He is shocking in his current role at the club. He is to blame for the complete shambles we now see every week on the pitch.
FLITCROFT GET OUT OF OUR CLUB
Oh and Carol, i hope that your one and only choice for manager, D M , is the right choice and not just another whim where someone has quite easily fooled you......
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5 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:
My response was because a poster suggested those at the meeting weren't genuine fans. There were young people there as well. Take myself and my better half away and the average age is dramatically reduced! I'm not sure why Joe Biden is relevant in this debate - is he a closet Vale fan??
8 people = 500 years average 60 ish years
Take away yourself and your better half [ 74 yrs alone ] and i would guess ...
6 people = 380 years average 60 ish years
** To get some 40 years vale fans there has to be one or two over 80 years. Not too young then ?
Personally i am totally happy with everyone i have heard was present. Just hope you all have the desired effect. Unfortunately things will only get worse. Until Flitcroft is cleared out, together with the majority of the players he has signed.
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49 minutes ago, Black N White said:
Has she gone yet?
You first
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2 minutes ago, STUNG said:
Are they really though ?? I'm sceptical
Get yourself in the middle and have a go
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Tony. What a post.
Together with this , Bede, Mellor and co. its time we all accepted the meaning of the meeting.
No one can honestly expect a sacking the following morning but that is exactly what people expect to see. Hopefully follow ups to continue and this is what should happen at the Vale. Then we can see if there is any benefits to both the club and fans, on and off the pitch.
All us fans wanted was to be kept informed and not keep hearing bits sneaking out from people who were also not present at the meeting.
Anyway.
Now that i have read your post and your humble reply to what you say was your initial thoughts and what your comments would have been had you been sat on the keyboard, I cannot wait for your post re : your comments to referees and officials over the last fifty years !!!
We sometimes forget that referees are people, hard to believe i know, but people they are, as you know from your stint in the middle. Found this quite amusing to be honest aswell as a terrific post from a true Vale fan.
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Just now, Jacko51 said:
You mean they aren’t funny?
I dont find some people funny thats for sure, but they do have a sense of humour. So they say.
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12 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:
I don’t think bad mouthing Mark Porter was funny.
Some people have a strange sense of humour !
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1 hour ago, Wez said:
This is basically all that those not privy to these behind the scenes conversations were after. The announcement that a meeting had taken place and a broadbrush statement with little or no meaningful content did little to appease many fans. If this was the background & content of the meeting then why could this not just have been communicated avoiding lots of negative social media posts ? Another instance of poor communication ! Why was the detail about the meeting not communicated in advance allowing those with no affiliation with the 3 representative groups an opportunity to provide them with input which as have been additional to what you already had ? Could this be taken on board for such future meetings please.
Thank you for your clarity
Spot on. Comments from Bede and Mellor earlier would have stopped " all the assumptions about various aspects of the meeting " Not only that several people who were also not in attendance at the meeting certainly know plenty of what was discussed.
The groups were there on behalf of the supporters. Just give us some info after the meeting and all is good. For what i know of and have heard about, Bede, Mellor, Dicko and co. the fans views and thoughts are safe in their hands.
Lets hope the discussions continue. Very soon i hope
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22 minutes ago, robf said:
Yes and there was a statement with a summary of what was discussed. Isn't that telling the supporters what was discussed?
I wasn't at the meeting, so I don't know what was said but to me the statement seems to give a reasonable summary. I don't need to hear every word uttered and I'm not sure there should be the expectation to do so Perhaps others disagree with me.
However, what is more important to me is that it looks like this will herald regular discussions between fans and the club and a chance for both sides to talk to each other and raise concerns. I don't expect a single meeting will solve all the issues. This meeting is a first step and for me it's a positive that the club and the fans groups are talking again.
A significant part of the meeting focused on the current football situation and the role of the D of F, differing views, mutual respect and improvement needed.
Many will interpret that how they want to, rightly or wrongly !
Carol - will never change her views on D.F. He can do no wrong
D M - is now in sole charge of all footballing matters.
Might also cut down on the amount of bickering on here too.
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34 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:
"A significant part of the discussion focused on the current football situation and the role of Director of Football". That's probably what everyone wanted to know.
Tell us more if you were present.
I can read the comment. Unfortunately the comment is open to so much misinterpretation. Then people are ready to jump on ones back and make snide remarks if they disagree with someones own interpretation.
Far better to let all know. Isnt that what Black n Gold, Supporters club etc etc were there for. I know for certain that some people already have received information from the meeting.
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1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:
I am currently sitting at my laptop.
Very condescending, again. As in so many posts.
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2 hours ago, robf said:
Entirely agree. I think it's good the club and fans groups are meeting and talking frankly. For what it's worth, my opinion piece on it is here - https://www.onevalefan.co.uk/2024/03/opinion-its-good-to-talk-so-port-vale-owners-listening-to-fans-can-only-be-a-good-thing/
That meeting was arranged with the thoughts and concerns of ALL the supporters.
Dont you, or others commenting on here, feel that us supporters deserve to know some of what was discussed in the meeting. Good or bad we should be told.
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4 hours ago, philpvfc said:
Benning played well for a fifth of the games he played for us, for 4/5 he was crap.
Thats much better than any left sided player we have had this season.
Like a lot of players, yes they needed replacing but only for better ones.
Flitcroft has failed us big style AGAIN
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31 minutes ago, Playa Amodores said:
Just making ppl aware of what is probably a scam email. I’ve been contacted as it’s my birthday soon stating that I can attend a game for £79 three course meal sit in corporate seating. None of that concerned me it was the last sentence that did, when it said, I could be present for the man of the match award.
Good chance of winning it too
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Correct. The closest Ojo comes to becoming a playmaker is a ten yard pass sideways instead of backwards
Hes probably had four man of match performances in two year where he is running into advanced positions that make him look a decent midfield player. Majority of time he is there to cover the front players and strengthen the back five
To be fair its harder to judge when we are so poor all over the pitch. Ojo is not alone in that because he is so poor himself.
To me he is playing without any intent or interest. If we lose Saturday and he does not improve his own performance then i would drop him.
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21 minutes ago, Brian Johnson said:
Ojo is not a playmaker and is supposed to be a ball winner.
Correct. The closest Ojo comes to becoming a play maker is a ten yard pass sideways instead of backwards.
Hes probably had four man of match performances where is running into advanced positions makes him look a decent midfield player. Majority of time he is there to cover the front players and strengthen the back three / five
To be fair its harder to judge him when we are so poor everywhere else. Ojo is not alobe in that because he is so poor too, Yes he is playing without any intent or interest for me. If we lose sat and he has the same game then i would drop him.
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2 hours ago, Paul6754 said:
I just don't agree with that either, Weir was everywhere on Saturday and in previous games and put himself about and didn't flinch any tackles.
The only Vale player I've seen pull out of a tackle this season is James Wilson. We know he's made of glass so I'm OK with this if it's in the opposition half 'cause we need him fit and available as he does offer a goal threat (I would concede not much of one this season) and has the ability to do the unexpected.
Half of them cant be accused of pulling out of tackles. They never attempt to make any.
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2 hours ago, valeparklife said:
Again, this would just be sensible management, and again, we've done the opposite.
Dipepa, Shorrock, Walters, Lomax should all be on loan at a local non-league club this season - Newcastle Town/Leek Town/Stafford Rangers etc.
Get them used to the men's game, building up their experience.
To be expecting 16 and 17 year olds to save the club from L1 relegation just isn't fair on them.
What a mess.
Our budget dictated we include them in our squad this year.
Carol ' wanted ' it to happen " Look how good our home grown academy really is "
Flitcroft answered Carols prayers. Flitcroft is a saint dint you know
None of our youngsters should be anywhere near our first team squad, especially in league one and expecting, at best, to be just above a relegation dog fight. Plant i would have hoped would be in the first team squad, mainly on the bench getting a few run outs, or even going out on loan for a few months and playing regularly
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10 hours ago, Doha said:
They know better. Apparently.
08/12/23
Happy to have lower mid table budget for league one. What has gone wrong then ?
! / Whoever set the budget does not have a clue how much was needed to achieve our aim
2 / Our recruitment team are useless
3 / Whoever spent the budget has completely wasted it
4 / The manager is not very good
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10 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:
At the end of the day, any money available should have been ploughed into the team. Yes, some things had to be done to the stadium to make it safe, but anything else is just window dressing. The coaching room, the ice baths, the endless list of backroom staff are all great to have if you're doing well.
As long as you're paying a player the going rate, he'll get changed in a portakabin.
I understand to some extent to want to improve the commercial side of the business, but spending money on the unnecessary flowery stuff is just a bad plan. Spend every spare penny you have on the first team, which creates success, increased attendances, bigger away followings and everything else that comes with it. Once you achieve success on the pitch, you can do all the vanity projects you want.
We've tried to act like a Championship/Premier league club before actually achieving anything.
The most important thing in a football club is football. Full stop. Not community work, not nice buildings, not Mother's day lunches. Football. Concentrate on it, spend on it and then you can do as many charity/vanity projects as you like.
Yes, we spend purely to impress ! How else will a premier league club let their kids move down to Vale without seeing the training facilities, changing rooms, nutrition, fitness, schooling, the whole ' we will look after your kids ' process. What for ? Done us good for half a season. Two lads done really well and i am sure we played a small part in their progression. In the meantime ??
Dont mind all the community work and help the club can offer.
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10 hours ago, DazFred said:
I've watched the highlights. How powderpuff is our defending? We don't attack the player with the ball. We don't get goalside,we don't attempt to block shots,we don't follow runners,we allow too much space etc etc.
Earle,Porter would block shots. Tankard,Hill would block crosses. Glover,Aspin would head/kick/block...back off and jockey or intercept.
Forwards would defend from the front. Wide MF would track back. MF would support forwards or track back.
I know it's different times but if you don't do the basics then you are letting the fans down.
In short,what I have seen for 2 seasons as an ST holder (bar around 4 games) has been(I will choose my next words carefully) absolute sh*TE.
I'll send this in a letter to Carol
Agree entirely. What worries to more is that our young academy lads are just as much to blame and i worry if this is how we bring them on. Is it now a game of very little contact. Dont get stuck in.We sit back and take the right position but then stand like statues and let teams play through us. Fleetwood second half was a perfect example. No tackles, no blocks just stand in their way. Surprise surprise, four passes and a bit of movement and they are crossing a ball into our box.
We see the seasoned pro's do this and we may say they are not trying. Hope the youns uns are not guilty of that too. The fact that Smith doesnt even do this the way he has done for years tells me there is more wrong off the pitch than we know about. Or our players really are poor league two standard players ' with no heart and passion '
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Carlisle will give them a game. Bristol wont.
Who knows where we will all be when they play Burton but yes i would ne happier with thier games.