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  1. 15 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:
    3 hours ago, valiant_593 said:
    It’s been a disaster as it always was going to be. The majority of people who voted for brexit had no idea what they were actually voting for. 

    I agree that it is and will be a disaster. However I know of some pretty intelligent folk who voted for Brexit and fully realised what they were signing up for. Not the far right, quasi racist people that you would assume either.

    At the time of voting nobody knew what they were voting for due to all the lies. Since that day the goalposts have moved a lot so I doubt anyone has got what they voted for. 

  2. Fuming are ya Dave?

    Who would have thought that a society of people racially marginalised for centuries would bite back when they still live in a racist society?

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  3. 58 minutes ago, For Us All said:

    Have you heard the pub landlords version of events?

    Do you have any opinion on the current corruption that don't deflect away from the issue? You really give off the impression that you feel like the government are being picked on somehow

    Is Al Murray your guidance on this? 


  4. but but but but Labour..


    Labour haven't been in power for 11 years. 


    This corruption is now. Wonder why certain people find it so difficult to pass any other comment apart from but labour...


    Labour weren't throwing parties while I wasn't allowed to go and see my dying mother. 

    <ovf censored> tories and <ovf censored> anyone who defends them.

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  5. 45 minutes ago, Packmoor_vale said:

    Why do u think we support what he does just cause we agree with brexit 

    You got sold a pup by a goon desperate for power. Nothing you bought has happened, life has got worse since Brexit was voted for. Fact. 

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  6. 1 hour ago, leedsvaliant said:

    *If you're over 70 or have severe underlying health conditions.

    I agree that people shouldn't be scared to take a vaccine but I don't think that's the reason people aren't having it.

    It's not 1% across any age group. Let's be clear. It's been averaged between 0.25 and 0.5%.

    Just do the maths. Deaths/cases. The only numbers that are there will tell you that it is not between 0.25 and 0.5 

    Of the people I know who died none of them were over 70 or had underlying health issues. Some anecdotal evidence there for you.

  7. 8 minutes ago, Mario said:
    Germany to impose restrictions for those unvaccinated against COVID-19
    Only people who are vaccinated against COVID-19, or have recovered, will be allowed to go to restaurants, pubs, cinemas, gyms, cultural events, and non-essential shops, according to Reuters, AFP, and the BBC. Those who are unvaccinated are only permitted to meet two people from another household. The decision comes after a meeting between Chancellor Angela Merkel, her soon-to-be replacement Olaf Scholz, and regional leaders.

    If you refuse to get vaccinated because of a 0.000001 chance of something effecting you but you aren't worried about covid because there is only a 1% (ish) chance of harm then you are a hypocrite. 

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  8. 19 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:



    More ridiculous over reaction, ruining people's lives and businesses, causing schools to cancel nice events for parents and their families. Causing people to cancel their Christmas parties, ruining South Africa travel at what is their busiest time of year. Stop holding these stupid restrictions over us and turning them on and off like a tap!

    I overheard this morning how other parents are horrified that my daughter's school is allowing 4 people per family to come and watch the nativity. If you don't feel safe then don't come! Stop trying to ruin people's lives.


    Nearly all of your posts on this subject are based on hearsay and anecdotes. Something you overheard at school is now "ruining peoples lives"...and you think other people are over reacting!

  9. 1 hour ago, leedsvaliant said:







    SWPRS.ORG also a European CDC investigation here

    So basically what you're saying is it's virtually impossible to ascertain whether face masks are effective because of different variables. So with that in mind, I'm going to wear a string of garlic around my neck just in case.

    Surely the fact that many European countries have fared worse than us in recent months (something which you didn't argue against after I presented you with the facts) suggests that their interventions aren't really helping?

    No I have not said it is virtually impossible to ascertain whether masks are effective or not. Thanks for putting words into my mouth. I am saying there are more factors to consider as to why a country with or without masks is performing the way they are. Do you understand the difference? 




  10. 39 minutes ago, Packmoor_vale said:

    Boris and his dodgy crew 

    Get farage in he is the only bloke out there who would sort this country out 

    I am having a bad day but this made me smile, thanks! 

  11. 6 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:

    We've talked about cases before and their irrelevance but even then our case rate based on population is nowhere near that in the vast majority of Europe. Deaths I think we are way down the list. You're also being disingenuous with the data.  Look at deaths and cases per 100,000 rather than as a population whole. 

    Admittedly, Scotland's picture is improving currently but that's probably because they hit their peak of infections before us, you know when masks were in full flow? 

    CDC link for masks?

    More probablys 



    What the data tells us is that you cannot decide by country if masks made a difference or not. There are far too many other factors at play. How many people were compliant with mask rules? What percentage of people were working from home? Age of population?  You won't consider any other data as it doesn't suit your rigid point of view.  


    Anyway, you need yours on now. If it isn't too much of a hardship for you to put some cloth on your face for 5 minutes in the shop.

  12. Youre being far too matter of fact for a lot of probably. 

    How does your selection process work? Do you just randomly choose which figures you believe and which are a conspiracy? Is there any logic to it? Where is the cdc link that says masks dont work? 

  13. 15 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:

    You still haven't answered my point.  You made the assertion that in Europe they have been wearing masks through the last few months so therefore they must work.  However Europe is in a far worse situation than us. Equally our near neighbours have also fared worse than us. So again, please explain to me how masks are making a difference?  I'd love to see you square this circle. 

    It's clearly theatre to show that they are doing 'something'. Hence they're not making them mandatory everywhere. If you can't see that then more the fool you. 

    None of Europe has higher daily infections or deaths so not sure where you have plucked they are doing much worse than us from. 

  14. 22 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:

    WOne thing that is troubling me about the mask thing.  If they're effective:

    1) Why has Scotland, Wales and much of Europe had a worse time than us over the last 5 months? 

    2) Why, if they work, are we not instructed to wear them at all times when out of the house? 

    3) Why do people such as the Prime Minister, the Royals etc. Not wear them consistently?  Surely they will know the ins and outs of this virus?  If they truly believed they made a difference, wouldn't they be wearing them at all times? Without fail? 

    4) Why are they only mandated in shops and public transport?  What about football stadiums? Why not pubs and restaurants?  Does the virus not work in these places? 

    5) why did Boris Johnson have a sit down meal yesterday with hundreds of people in close proximity, all without masks?

    If you can't see it's all theatre I feel sorry for you. 

    1) Scotland and Wales have a lower death rate and infection rate as does the rest of Europe. 

    2) this is a question for the government. This order does not change the effectiveness of masks

    3)same as above 

    4) same as above 

    5) same as above 

    Nothing you have asked leads to directly questioning the effectiveness of mask wearing. I thought you were all for scientific study not just putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 18. 

    Where is your cdc link? 


  15. 17 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:

    Like you do you mean? 

    99.7% is the survival rate. It's irrelevant whether people have caught it or not and according to your fabled masters many more people will have had it and never known.

    You are basing your figures on those who have tested positive which will inevitably increase the percentage.

    Its irrelevant if people have caught it or not? Do survival rates of cancer include those who do not catch it? What about survival rate of people who get run over? Do we count people who haven't been run over?


    You get dafter every day. 


  16. When people are too stupid to understand something they get frustrated and vent. Not their fault I guess but social media gives them a platform to vent on and then other stupid people see someone who agrees with them and mistakenly take that for being correct and it snowballs from there. 

  17. 21 minutes ago, hillmanhunter said:

    You'd have to have a complete lack of empathy to even ask those questions. I can't be bothered to explain to you why heckling anti-racism is wrong. It seems self-evident to me.

    Summed it up in the first sentence perfectly. Not everybody who lacks empathy is racist but I'd say everyone who is racist has no empathy. 

  18. 17 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:
    17 hours ago, Jacko51 said:
    You're lucky.  Everyone on here knows a bloke who used to be a regular contributor who lost his life to covid early in the pandemic.  Another member of his family died as well. 

    I'm not denying people have died. I'm just querying the fact that this person knows 'a few people who have died' whereas I and anyone I know does not know anybody. He must be extremely unlucky...

    Do you always use anecdotal evidence as a starting point? 

    I know of 4 people who have died from covid. Rather than everyone else being unlucky do you think you might just be lucky to have not known anyone? 

  19. 12 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:
    On 27/11/2021 at 06:29, WV said:
    99.97%? Really? I'm not a mathematician but it's quite simple maths. In England there has been 8.54m cases and 126k deaths. How do you make that 99.97%?  I make it 1.46% of cases in England have lead to death. 
    England's population is around 56m people. If we used the whole population vs death for a percentage it would come to 0.22% so still way above your 0.03% claim. 
    But not everyone will get it so the only numbers to use are cases and deaths and nothing you can do with those leads to 0.03%

    Apologies 99.7%. It still doesn't warrant the panic.


    Why are you counting people who haven't caught it in survival rate? 

    What else have you got wrong? You seemed so certain of your numbers. Isnt that a red flag that you might be wrong? That you have just made numbers up to strengthen your argument. Why would you need to do that if you were right? 

    Can you try and deal in facts from now on? 

  20. 19 minutes ago, Mario said:
    11 hours ago, toyahw said:
    Why are rabid anti vaxxers so wound up?  Chill. You are jamming up the frigging hospitals so more people die of cancer. Hope that makes you feel good. 

    There are people who will argue and argue remember V2001 there were some who would not accept what a bunch of tossers they were And kept on and on and then disappeared under there rock when proved wrong, same here with Covid don't exist, hospitals aren't getting full it's all propaganda oh and by the way you did know the earth was flat

    And the moon landing was a hoax

  21. 7 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:

    99.97% and not everyone will get it. 600,000 people die every year in the UK alone.

    99.97%? Really? I'm not a mathematician but it's quite simple maths. In England there has been 8.54m cases and 126k deaths. How do you make that 99.97%?  I make it 1.46% of cases in England have lead to death. 

    England's population is around 56m people. If we used the whole population vs death for a percentage it would come to 0.22% so still way above your 0.03% claim. 

    But not everyone will get it so the only numbers to use are cases and deaths and nothing you can do with those leads to 0.03%



  22. 3 hours ago, leedsvaliant said:
    6 hours ago, WV said:
    I wonder how many of the covid only kills 1% so nothing to worry about crew will be up in arms about the 0.000001% of vaccinated people suffering bad side effects from the vaccine or worse dying from related issues? 

    It's not 1%. The death rate is thought to be around 0.25%. The initial assumption was 1%, hence the obscene panic.

    The percentage doesn't panic me. The hundreds of thousands of deaths worry me regardless. Perhaps I just have a bit more empathy or value life a little more than you. 

    I'm sure you said it was 99.9% not too long ago. The difference in percentage may not mean much to you but 0.24% of the worlds population is 16.8m people. 

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