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The manager picking his own boss?If Carol is keen on Darren Moore as the lengthy contract suggests then ask Darren to pick his director of football. -
But at least we played with pride.
I keep saying it....we are worse under Moore.
I somehow lasted at the game until the point where Wilson aimed a cross field ball to DiPepa...straight out of play.
Then the interviews....God help us,although,I don't think he actually could
Carol has allowed Fraudcroft to help assemble this squad and we are stuck with them next season. His process is appalling ..it has no substance. Get loans in,they go back,get more loans in. The only striker we have signed is Uche. Even an idiot knows you won't score goals with no strikers. Arblaster made Ojo look decent. Devine carried the MF when he'd gone. I actually think Ollie will get young player of the season and he hasn't played since December.
Owen Dale has made 15 appearances and 13 as sub with 2 goals and 2 assists. Jones made him look like Messi. This was playing against a team that got hammered 5-0 on Tuesday.
Yesterday will have been the last straw for a lot of fans. They've already started disappearing where I sit...over 20 home defeats in 2 seasons ..Carol...you are running the club with your patronizing appointment of El Presidente and your snotty condescending letter to the fans backed by an obnoxious arrogant fool who announced he isnt thinking of relegation
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That's the spirit!Ripley
Mitch. Smith. Kasper. Jones
Ojo. Sang
Massey. Garrity. Mighten
Wilson
3-1 Oxford
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Are you going to change your username to 'Vale till the end of the season'?It the vale players Carol Flitcroft that make the vale fans miserable and fed up it not the fans fault that port vale are second from the bottom of the league . I think the vale fans have been extremely patient. to put up with a lot of the rubbish that port vale football club as put the fan though . I will be going and supporting the vale till the end of the season .
Good on you VTID, we need all the support we can get. One win and the right results elsewhere can materially change our prospects in one afternoon. Let's hope that comes about on Saturday- 1
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Some of you don't half love wallowing in your pits of perpetual misery!
We got a point and a clean sheet. Yes well probably still go down, but each game is new. Win on Saturday and there's more hope.- 10
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I agree. Wilson and Debrah have to at least hit the target with their chances. But at least we're actually making some chances and keeping at itYou'd like to think so Spunky. If we weren't so shaky we'd be a couple up by now- 3
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What game are you watching?How the hell are we still level. Our players are giving them so many chances to score.- 6
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Here he is, right on schedule
Reset as much as you're like. But don't try to insist that everyone should be like you. You can do a jig before every match right now and convince yourself we're going to win. That's your choice. Others prefer to be a little more realistic and know exactly what's coming, because we see it week after week instead. Gutless, spineless players with a few exceptions who are ultimately very poor at football for this level. No amount of back patting, high fives and virtue signalling changes that.- 1
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Hope that 90 off year old who's just come out with the Orient team is their striker
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Tonight's going to be interesting to see how DM approaches this. We really do have nothing to lose now. I'd rather lose 6.2 than succumb to another 2.0 defeat having not got out of our own half. Hope DM sees it the same way.
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Just paid for ifollow. Why am I putting myself through this again?
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I wonder if the bloke who threw his season ticket onto the pitch walking out of the Paddock has been reunited with it? Be just his luck if he gets it posted back to him
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You were luckyThe two or three months when Gannon was in charge for some reason has stuck in my mind as the worst Vale team I’ve watched (since the mid 1980s). However when I look at the stats 2010-11 wasn’t all that bad as we had a good start under Micky Adam’s, so perhaps it was just the deterioration in performance under Gannon and the ownership turmoil that I made me feel so down about the team at the time?
Although we are a division higher, since Moore took over this past month has been without doubt the worst team I have watched. However, I took a complete year off after the Ribeiro/Brown debacle and never saw the Neil Aspin managed team that finished 20th in league 2 in 2018.- 2
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Glad someone else saw that as wellYou prefer radio silence but want chapter and verse from Jacko et al?- 1
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But they've been answered. Asking again and again won't change the answers nor the situation. That's the point.Hmm.
Actually, I think they keep mentioning these issues because every week the results continue to disappoint and we are starting relegation in the face...
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Spot on. People love asking the same questions over and over, when most have been answered to a large degree by both Carol and DF, simply because they don't like the answers given as it doesn't suit their rhetoric or agendaYou say Carol should know the feeling of the fanbase so there is no point in telling her. You then ask numerous questions:
Why does she continue to employ DF?
- See Carol's letter
Why hasn't the club signed a striker?
- Listen to Flitcroft's podcast.
Can't she see what is happening on the pitch?
- You're asking this despite saying she clearly knows how the fanbase feel about all the issues raised.
How long will she employ Flitcroft?
- Jean said Carol didn't answer this question.
Is she considering selling the club?
- See the immediate official response to idle speculation from national newspapers about Robbie buying the club.
Why is it taking so long to repair the toilets?
- I think it was Matt Hancock that answered this question some time ago.
Your post implies that both Carol and the fans know everything that's going on at the club and how each party feels about every issue, so there is no point in Carol meeting with fans. Yet clearly from the questions you asked you at least don't know Carol's perspective on things, despite the letter and the podcast and various announcements and messages. Is it so hard to believe that Carol wasn't or isn't fully aware of the fan's perspective of various issues?- 3
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What does the percentage mean?
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Don't get in the way of a good OVF 'fact' from Dave in the pubNo, it certainly wasn't. Again, she didn't know who was coming until just before.- 1
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You can't just isolate DF in all of this. Who employs DF? Carol. Who hired DF? Carol. Who continues to support DF? Carol. Without Carol, there's no DF. To suggest that he's got her over a barrel, has brainwashed her is both ridiculous and insulting to Carols intelligence.Disagree, under previous regimes this was the right way to go about it as the money was being pocketed by the likes of Smurthwaite. We now have owners who are not the issue, I will have the occasional moan about them but we all know what the problem is. He has to be removed from this club and continued protests about him is the only way for him to go. I dont feel starving the club of finances is the way forward.
For the record, I love Carol. We'll NEVER get an owner who genuinely wants the best for the club as she does. I trust her judgement, and don't pretend to know the ins and outs of bringing players in. I swear some of you think it's as easy as saying oh, we want him and they magically arrive and will be guaranteed successes.
DF is really no better or worse in the transfer market than how it worked previously imho. This is my take on the last few years recruitment success to this season ('success' being very generously applied by and large):
PRE DF:
9 - Grimmer, Lines, Dickinson, Griffith - 44%
24 - Veseli, Andoh, Marshall, Streete - 16%
13 - Ikpeazu, Inniss, Alnwick, Streete, Foley - 38%
30 - Jones, Eagles, Bikey - 10%
29 - Worrall, Whitfield, Pope - 10%
22 - Clark, Conlon, Oyeleke, Legge, Joyce, Brown - 27%
16 - Taylor, Amoo, Burgess - 19%
13 - Rodney - 8%
POST DF
23 - Cass, Politic, Harratt, Garrity, Benning, Jones, Pett, Walker, Wilson, Proctor, Hall, Charsley - 52%
15 - Harrison, Butterworth, Ojo, Forrester - 26%
20 - Ripley, Devine, Arblaster, Chislett, Debrah, Sang - 30%
Do any of you actually know what role DC and AC have played in recruitment? Do you really believe that DF signs every player on a whim and does not consult the manager at all?- 1
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So those who won't agree with the perceived 'majority' view will be scabs and it's a case of mob rule? Jesus ChristAbsolutely. Start a campaign suggesting that supporters don't renew their season tickets, buy the new shirt, buy event tickets etc until Flickers is gone. Set up a picket line around the club shop and ticket office to put off potential scabs. This is OUR club Carol. We'll get our way because Port Vale is the fans. No fans, no club. Listen to the room and do the right thing.- 1
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So sick of all the name calling, abuse, etc being directed at all and sundry on social media and at games. Most of you are grown men FFS.
Surely the most effective way for those who want to protest is to vote with your feet and your wallets. Don't go to games, don't buy a ST, and basically don't put any money into the club at all. This will give Carol only 3 options:
1. Increase her subsidy of the club to keep it going and DF in place;
2. Sell the club, which would mean DF goes too;
3. Get rid of DF and hope the missing fans return.
Hitting someone in their pocket is usually the most guaranteed way to effect the change that some of you crave- 6
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I admire your optimism re DM but I've seen nothing to suggest he's the great manager many have made him out to be. Even DC managed to take stock of and then organise and galvanise the worst Vale squad in 20 years into an effective unit to achieve what was neededI think Flitcroft will leave for the following reasons:
1 - using the criteria of the targets he had to hit like Carol did a while back, he has failed abysmally to provide the last 2 managers with players to keep us up. That's the most important criteria for me - the other criteria Carol said he had hit were nice, but we are a football club when push comes to shove. And he is in charge of all things on the pitch. An that's been shockingly bad.
2 - That fact will hurt him professionally. He has to look Darren Moore in the eye most days, and that won't feel good. He has to explain his failure to Carol (and despite some of the pathetic comments on here about the relationship between Carol and Flitcroft, she will see that he has failed - and you can't just big him up with the successes he has had without pointing out the most caring, expensive failure - relegation) ).
3 - So I think he will resign, because he has just had the relegation of the club laid fairly and squarely at his door. I'm assuming he has integrity here, and is ultimately doing his best, but given the budget he has to work with, his best just hasn't cut it. He can make a statement to say "thanks for the promotion, and sorry about the two dire seasons in League 1 - good luck"
4 - if he doesn't resign, he will have to be dismissed, which will hurt him more - so I think he will jump before he is pushed. It gives the club a convenient way of lumping a lot of the blame his way, and starting afresh (which gets a few people off the hook temporarily). The players have to have a look at themselves too, but I'm assuming a lot will leave this summer.
5 - Darren Moore will then be free to do things his way. He took the job on with a DoF who has failed to provide us with the bullets to fire, and I am sure he is champing at the bit to get hold of the club, get in his own players, and get us playing better football again. He didn't sign 5.5 years to be a failure. I wouldn't even be surprised that relegation was always on his mind, and the events of the last few weeks have just confirmed that he has inherited a shitshow not of his making. He will be keen to start afresh without Flitcroft.
I hope this is how it plays out in terms of Flitcroft's departure. He simply has to go, by one means or another.- 3
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I concede defeat. Today has broke me to be honest. But this has at least made me feel a bit better. See you all next season- 4
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