philmpv

March 11

Hmm.
Actually, I think they keep mentioning these issues because every week the results continue to disappoint and we are starting relegation in the face...

But they've been answered. Asking again and again won't change the answers nor the situation. That's the point.

March 11

You say Carol should know the feeling of the fanbase so there is no point in telling her. You then ask numerous questions:
Why does she continue to employ DF?
- See Carol's letter
Why hasn't the club signed a striker?
- Listen to Flitcroft's podcast.
Can't she see what is happening on the pitch?
- You're asking this despite saying she clearly knows how the fanbase feel about all the issues raised.
How long will she employ Flitcroft?
- Jean said Carol didn't answer this question.
Is she considering selling the club?
- See the immediate official response to idle speculation from national newspapers about Robbie buying the club.
Why is it taking so long to repair the toilets?
- I think it was Matt Hancock that answered this question some time ago.

Your post implies that both Carol and the fans know everything that's going on at the club and how each party feels about every issue, so there is no point in Carol meeting with fans. Yet clearly from the questions you asked you at least don't know Carol's perspective on things, despite the letter and the podcast and various announcements and messages. Is it so hard to believe that Carol wasn't or isn't fully aware of the fan's perspective of various issues?

Spot on. People love asking the same questions over and over, when most have been answered to a large degree by both Carol and DF, simply because they don't like the answers given as it doesn't suit their rhetoric or agenda

March 11

What does the percentage mean?

Simply my own opinion of the percentage success of that season's incomings (the named players). The total incoming is the first number of each line

March 10

No, it certainly wasn't. Again, she didn't know who was coming until just before.

Don't get in the way of a good OVF 'fact' from Dave in the pub

March 10

Disagree, under previous regimes this was the right way to go about it as the money was being pocketed by the likes of Smurthwaite. We now have owners who are not the issue, I will have the occasional moan about them but we all know what the problem is. He has to be removed from this club and continued protests about him is the only way for him to go. I dont feel starving the club of finances is the way forward.

You can't just isolate DF in all of this. Who employs DF? Carol. Who hired DF? Carol. Who continues to support DF? Carol. Without Carol, there's no DF. To suggest that he's got her over a barrel, has brainwashed her is both ridiculous and insulting to Carols intelligence.

For the record, I love Carol. We'll NEVER get an owner who genuinely wants the best for the club as she does. I trust her judgement, and don't pretend to know the ins and outs of bringing players in. I swear some of you think it's as easy as saying oh, we want him and they magically arrive and will be guaranteed successes.

DF is really no better or worse in the transfer market than how it worked previously imho. This is my take on the last few years recruitment success to this season ('success' being very generously applied by and large):

PRE DF:

9 - Grimmer, Lines, Dickinson, Griffith - 44%

24 - Veseli, Andoh, Marshall, Streete - 16%

13 - Ikpeazu, Inniss, Alnwick, Streete, Foley - 38%

30 - Jones, Eagles, Bikey - 10%

29 - Worrall, Whitfield, Pope - 10%

22 - Clark, Conlon, Oyeleke, Legge, Joyce, Brown - 27%

16 - Taylor, Amoo, Burgess - 19%

13 - Rodney - 8%

POST DF

23 - Cass, Politic, Harratt, Garrity, Benning, Jones, Pett, Walker, Wilson, Proctor, Hall, Charsley - 52%

15 - Harrison, Butterworth, Ojo, Forrester - 26%

20 - Ripley, Devine, Arblaster, Chislett, Debrah, Sang - 30%

Do any of you actually know what role DC and AC have played in recruitment? Do you really believe that DF signs every player on a whim and does not consult the manager at all?

March 10

Absolutely. Start a campaign suggesting that supporters don't renew their season tickets, buy the new shirt, buy event tickets etc until Flickers is gone. Set up a picket line around the club shop and ticket office to put off potential scabs. This is OUR club Carol. We'll get our way because Port Vale is the fans. No fans, no club. Listen to the room and do the right thing.

So those who won't agree with the perceived 'majority' view will be scabs and it's a case of mob rule? Jesus Christ

March 10

So sick of all the name calling, abuse, etc being directed at all and sundry on social media and at games. Most of you are grown men FFS.

Surely the most effective way for those who want to protest is to vote with your feet and your wallets. Don't go to games, don't buy a ST, and basically don't put any money into the club at all. This will give Carol only 3 options:

1. Increase her subsidy of the club to keep it going and DF in place;

2. Sell the club, which would mean DF goes too;

3. Get rid of DF and hope the missing fans return.

Hitting someone in their pocket is usually the most guaranteed way to effect the change that some of you crave

March 9

I think Flitcroft will leave for the following reasons:
1 - using the criteria of the targets he had to hit like Carol did a while back, he has failed abysmally to provide the last 2 managers with players to keep us up. That's the most important criteria for me - the other criteria Carol said he had hit were nice, but we are a football club when push comes to shove. And he is in charge of all things on the pitch. An that's been shockingly bad.
2 - That fact will hurt him professionally. He has to look Darren Moore in the eye most days, and that won't feel good. He has to explain his failure to Carol (and despite some of the pathetic comments on here about the relationship between Carol and Flitcroft, she will see that he has failed - and you can't just big him up with the successes he has had without pointing out the most caring, expensive failure - relegation) ).
3 - So I think he will resign, because he has just had the relegation of the club laid fairly and squarely at his door. I'm assuming he has integrity here, and is ultimately doing his best, but given the budget he has to work with, his best just hasn't cut it. He can make a statement to say "thanks for the promotion, and sorry about the two dire seasons in League 1 - good luck"
4 - if he doesn't resign, he will have to be dismissed, which will hurt him more - so I think he will jump before he is pushed. It gives the club a convenient way of lumping a lot of the blame his way, and starting afresh (which gets a few people off the hook temporarily). The players have to have a look at themselves too, but I'm assuming a lot will leave this summer.
5 - Darren Moore will then be free to do things his way. He took the job on with a DoF who has failed to provide us with the bullets to fire, and I am sure he is champing at the bit to get hold of the club, get in his own players, and get us playing better football again. He didn't sign 5.5 years to be a failure. I wouldn't even be surprised that relegation was always on his mind, and the events of the last few weeks have just confirmed that he has inherited a shitshow not of his making. He will be keen to start afresh without Flitcroft.
I hope this is how it plays out in terms of Flitcroft's departure. He simply has to go, by one means or another.

I admire your optimism re DM but I've seen nothing to suggest he's the great manager many have made him out to be. Even DC managed to take stock of and then organise and galvanise the worst Vale squad in 20 years into an effective unit to achieve what was needed

March 9

@Brian johnson

I concede defeat. Today has broke me to be honest. But this has at least made me feel a bit better. See you all next season

March 7

So to sum up:

1. I wasn't personally invited to this meeting so I'm not happy;

2. The statement doesn't include a second by second account of what went on so I'm not happy;

3. The statement doesn't say exactly what I want to happen so I'm not happy;

4. On account of the foregoing, I'll presume every negative thing I can from what I don't know went on.

Some of you don't half love banging your gums incessantly. Until DF goes, it's clear that some are never going to accept anything coming out of the club. Then it'll move on to blaming DF for everything in the years after that as being a legacy from his involvement, before the blame for a failed signing moves to Carol/new manager. I really don't know why Carol bothers.

March 4

Fan berates Bundesliga stars after 6-0 defeat
WWW.BBC.CO.UK

Let's see how they do in the next match before declaring it works wonders

March 2

Watch the price of STs increase again. And the cost of walking up.
The owners do not care it is a poor area
At least Bill Bratt made season tickets accessible to all...they were dirt cheap and so they should be for trash league two football.

You and fckin Bill Bratt!

March 2

And don’t ever judge mine and other’s credibility when it comes to this club because you no doubt blindly supported all through the Smurthwaite era when he was stealing money from the club!
The amount of time and money I spent and lost traveling just to protest, like many others, are part of the reason the media woke up and we still have a football club so don’t ever question mine and other’s credibility in being a Vale supporter.

My point was, as I think you know, is that those who choose to withdraw their support for the club financially lose credibility should they then demand more investment, better players, higher wage budget, etc, as some no doubt will.

I at no point questioned anybody's credibility in being a supporter per se.

March 2

You rip up the contracts and **** them off
If it affects the Budget paying them off, so what.
Sign Fit Players and mix them with the Academy Lads, no need to Spend Big Money, Crewe didn’t and they haven’t done too bad.
We just need a Manager who knows what they are doing, players who have something to prove.

Easy innit.

March 2

For the record I don’t “feel the need to moan”. I point out facts and the mess the club is in.
For every happy clapper, there’s people that care in a different manner.
Remember that.

We all care, of that I have little doubt. But we choose to express it in very different ways. Remember that. To me, mine is not a choice - Support the club by way of my small contribution each year through a ST etc, and attend the games and get behind whoever is on the pitch. Yours is different, from next season, and that's your choice, but personally i think those who withdraw their financial support and then will still come on here moaning and demanding more investment etc lose a little bit of credibility. Just my opinion.

March 2

Fair play to you.
Enjoy it.
Just don’t moan about it next season.
Your choice and all that.

Not sure I'll enjoy every second but I rarely do. That's what being a Vale fan is like. Same to you - As you're not going, I trust that you'll be a lot happier and won't be on here feeling the need to moan

March 2

Those that say yes, must start to understand that if he is still here, your weekends and Tuesday nights will be ruined most weeks.
Even if gets sacked tomorrow, the damage is done. Most players are under contract.
Hes managed to assemble the most dreadful football squad. Over a period of 18 months. With each transfer window he has let players go and replaced them with utter garbage on big wages.
So yeah. I’m all for the blind faith of people. But if you’re happy pissing in a portaloo, watching the club you love get beat by Morecambe, Accrington Stanley and Crawley, in front of 3000, then crack on because that’s entirely your choice.
Most won’t. And that’s the biggest issue.

The foundation will go on a walk though and raise 576 quid. And the elderly will get a cup of tea and a sandwich.
So at least it’s not all doom and gloom.

Your concern for my welfare has touched me. But I'll be reet thanks

March 2

Come on man. Let’s look at the evidence.
Masseys been here for nearly two years??? Right. Name me a good game he’s had. Tell me how he changes a game. Tell me about his goals and assist. The lad is utter tripe.
Wilson. Not good enough at this level I’m afraid. It’s two yards too quick for him. A waste of a wage.
Uche. Blokes atrocious. Can’t score. Can’t pass a ball. Can’t trap a ball. He’s just a unit.
4k a week for a JCB up front.
Honestly the mistakes in the recruitment is mind boggling.

I was responding to you saying that they were under contract for next season. Nothing more than that

March 2

Most of the players are under contract. That’s the frightening thing.
I don’t think it’s been done on the cheap.

Massey. Grant. Loft. Uche. Ripley. Wilson. Lowe. To name 7, will all be on big league 1 wages. Therein lies the problem. Because 5 of them are crap. 1 is made of glass. And the other is letting his emotions get the better of him.

Wilson and Uche aren't I don't think, though I stand to be corrected. Not convinced Massey is either.

March 2

Someone who know's what he's doing

And who's that?

March 2

Desperate yes , but getting Tom in on a part time basis until the end of the season could just galvanise the players and the fans . Jon Walters has been brought in by them down the road to do just that , and by all accounts it seems to be working . How can Darren Moore rip into the squad when most of them will be here next season ? He needs to keep them on board , where as Tom could politely tell them what is expected of them , and how much the club means to the fans . Deperate times call for desperate measures - it might work it might not , but we have to try something , or we are just sleep walking to League Two .

FFS.....

The guy who happily admitted he couldn't give a toss except to pick up his wage and go drinking when he wasn't first choice any more. Just the professionalism we need.

Clarke called out the 'deadwood'. And it worked. Pope was one of the deadwood.

Since he's left Congleton, they're on for promotion. Sound familiar?

March 2

Would be interesting to compare if we went without one. Pros and cons for both.

We had 140 years without a DOF and aside from the JR era have been largely gash. In 3 full seasons with a DOF we've had a promotion, a poor season and what is looking like a relegation. So little on the pitch seems to have changed. Off the pitch the DOF does seem to be improving us

March 2

Of course

March 2

Senior players don’t give a except Garrity.

Certainly seems that way, particularly Ojo who seems to have thrown his toys out because AC was sacked. He was so lackadaisical today it beggars belief. This is what really annoys me about footballers. Have some pride for yourself FFS. Any other profession and he'd be ripe to be sacked

March 2

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I am still very much in the Moore camp until he can bring in his own players,for me no manager could sort this shower out,he has to have time no other choice....... we all know who really is to blame

Clarke sorted the even worse shower we had 4 years ago. Then got rid of them. Sign of a great manager. Moore seems to have no gameplan at all, no tactical awareness, no motivation skills, and frankly no clue. We look worse by some degree since he joined. Sign of a bad manager

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