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  1. 15 minutes ago, WV said:

    Do other countries use 35 days? Or 20? Obviously if someone dies after 28 days it isn't recorded. So the number of deaths could be conservative in your scenario. 

    I don't know, that's why asked the question.

    If you start to compare you have to have comparable information or it's meaningless.

    If you don't have accurate comparable statistics you just get numbers with little meaning when it comes to decision making. 

    Country A tests 100,000,000 and records 1,000,000 deaths

    Country B tests 300,000,000 and records 2,000,000 deaths


  2. 39 minutes ago, WV said:

    Why does the 28 day thing cause confusion. Those people have still died and does it matter when the deaths were registered when you add them all up? 

    The statistics seem to suggest it does matter.

    If someone dies 29, 30, 31, 32 etc days after a positive test where are they recorded?

    If another country uses 35 days or 20 days it totaly distorts the figures for comparison.

  3. 5 hours ago, WV said:

    You are the one sharing it without checking if it is even correct. Not much else to say. 

    Have you checked the government figures?

    Apparently governments lie.

  4. 35 minutes ago, WV said:

    Just look on the UK gov or NHS website. That will tell you the top figure is not right. Thats enough for me to dispute the rest without looking them up. Maybe the onus should be on you, as a mod, to check what you're posting is factual before posting? If not, aren't you just part of the problem?

    I posted published stats, I didn't collate them.

    If you have stats to the contrary post them.

  5. 52 minutes ago, WV said:

    Nothing like a bit of fake news. Just another attempt at humour I bet Geo? 

    Stats I have seen.

    If you dispute them show me the stats you believe

  6. 2 minutes ago, WV said:

    Its an amazing thing that after experts and world leaders have told us brexit is to blame that average Joe thinks he knows more about economics than the experts and has dismissed any experts that don't agree with his world view. Has this always happened? I guess so down the pubs or on site but I guess the difference is you could always avoid the ill informed and idiots in the pub but very difficult to not have an idiots view thrust in your face when online. 

    Who is thrusting? 

    I care little about the cause more about the effect.

    Are these the same experts who told us the world would end if the UK didn't join the Euro? 

    If people spent their energy finding solutions instead of finding someone to blame most of the problems would probably be solved now.

    Whether brexit is to blame or not won't solve the problems. It seems we have to have a 3 year public enquiry to find who is to blame before we can think about sorting out the effect for everything. 

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  7. We have to be very careful about how we define abuse. Threats are a little easier but not clear cut in some cases. It should be based on the intent of what is said not what is heard.

    Because people get offended it's not necessarily abuse.

  8. 14 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

    Does anyone else think what has happened today is a dreadful reflection on the aggressive and adversarial nature of our current politics?  It’s tragic. 

    I think it's a reflection on an aggressive society. 

  9. 1 hour ago, WV said:

    Sure Geo. This very public murder of a high profile knighted politician is no worse than 44285 police recorded offences involving a knife or sharp instrument that didn't end in death.

    Can't people just show some respect instead of political point scoring or making comparisons.

    Which ever way you lean this is shocking news and shouldn't be happening to anyone just doing their job. I see counter terrorism police are involved this morning. 


    I started the post "As bad as this incident is"

    It's posted in the political group of threads for discussion.

    221 people died in a 12 month period due to stabbings.

    It seems there is a sudden outrage in the news outlets that "someone famous" has been stabbed where as the 221 were just incidental, mentioned in passing. Suddenly parliament is showing an interest as opposed to it being just another statistic. The really sad thing is it is just another statistic.

    Whether it's a terrorist attack or not I don't know but I would imagine at least some of the 221 would have been terrified. 

    I remember a time when politicians were shamed and a scandal ensued because they were gay, I never understood why, if they do their job who gives a rat's ass. They are just people who do a high profile job. It's becoming a very strange world...... as opposed to the strange word it used to be..... no there were no good old days that I can remember.

  10. As bad as this incident is is it any worse than the incidents below?


    Police-recorded offences involving a knife or sharp instrument in the 12 months to March 2021


    Police-recorded murders involving a knife or sharp instrument in the 12 months to March 2021.

  11. Conservative MP Sir David Amess has died after being stabbed at his constituency surgery in Essex.

    Police said a 25-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of murder after the attack at a church in Leigh-on-Sea.

  12. If their were racist chants coming from either side I would support whole heartedly the team walking off en mass. They won't and the league wouldn't support them if they did.

    If the national teams pulled out of the world cup I would support that, but the money is to important, far more important than any discrimination.

    If the police were prosecuted when they discriminate, I would support that, instead of slipping out the back door by resigning, but keeping their pensions followed by a disciplinary panel that can't do anything.

    Those would be statements against discrimination that would be noticed. They would cause waves that couldn't be ignored

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  13. 16 hours ago, WV said:

    Disagreement with what though? People are making up reasons to be upset by this stance. It has been stated many times that it is not a political statement. 

    I guess the same people would be ok with people booing the wearing of the poppy? I wonder what their thoughts were on James McLean. Would be interesting to bring that thread back and see some hypocrisy 

    They seem to disagree with people taking the knee at a football match.

  14. 15 hours ago, Fosse69 said:
    16 hours ago, Davebrad said:
    no i would never protest against poppy wearers, because i was bought up to respect the poppy, and have learnt over my many years what those two generations and others have done for us especially given us free  speech...

    But would you not be upset by people who protest against poppy wearers?

    Personally no.

    I haven't worn a poppy for over 50 years, I wouldn't moan about it because it's their choice. As long as they are not breaking the law. Isn't that why people died? Isn't that part of what the poppy represents?

  15. 5 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:
    55 minutes ago, Davebrad said:
    the act of taking the knee at my visit to the match i'm at, if i wanted a political stance i would go to a political meeting, you might say well turn your back or go outside whilst its been done. But no i;m there to enjoy and hopefully watch the Vale win, not have something i don't believe in being in my face... my only legal recourse is to boo.
      Why don't those who want to take the knee go on the car park, or in Burslem park,they would still be showing there support, why on the pitch to a captive audience, who don't all support their action?.

    Why should a very small minority dictate to a national football demonstration?

    I don't think anyone has said they can't, take the knee. I think people are voicing there disagreement. If anyone is dictating it's the people who say they can't show disagreement. 

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