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9 hours ago, George said:
Not sure she has a choice. If he’s not walking, and there is no break clause, then she HAS to back him. Can’t afford to pay him off.
It seems like 'mistake after mistake'. DM is not the answer, Hate to say it.
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3 minutes ago, Port Vale Paul said:
It isn't just the letter though is it. There are a lot more examples that as owner she has overseen and been responsible for, that have upset supporters in one way or another. I for one, being a long term ST holder have taken a good look at myself and decided along with with a few others I'd imagine will not be renewing. Those actions speak louder than words.
I genuinely bought in to the Shanahan's, events of the last 12 months have tarnished that. Many things have contributed to my thoughts on and off the pitch. I have a big decision to make after 49 years. I've had enough and feel totally disillusioned with all at the Vale top to bottom. The culture and ideals at the top have seeped through to the playing side, leaving a rotten underbelly and supporters alienated.
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11 minutes ago, Old School said:
Is Carol by any chance a property developer? You could certainly make a good case for it, just another couple of seasons trusting the process and bish bash bosh, 1,000 brand spanking new homes where that team Port Vale used to play before they went out of business.
The talk about the campus, and Synectics maybe expanding (increasing investment, etc) did to some degree made me a little paranoid thinking back to the V2001 and Smurthwaite days (Remember Smurf's flats idea?) Usually people with money - make money. Carol and Kevin are no fools. I only hope that there is no ulterior motive. It may just be a case of making the wrong decisions in recruitment and to a degree being mislead and sold a dream by DF. We will see in the coming months. Talk is cheap as they say, many bridges need to be built imo. Sad and you would never have predicted this back in summer 2022.
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10 hours ago, Conrad said:
You say you’ve lost confidence in DM,
then go on to say we have an abysmal squad, given that the transfer window is closed so he couldn’t change the squad even if he wanted to, what is he supposed to do.
Much better than he did. I'm sure Crosby would have, people like Clarke definitely would have. Not for me.
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13 minutes ago, Spunk Trumpet said:
You see, when you royally <ovf censored> up in life (and we’ve all been there) your are normally held accountable to a handful of people. She’s accountable to thousands who have loved this club long before she was around.
That statement is like a fella begging his Mrs to stay, with a big speech about how he’s sorry for cheating and look at how much I love you.
There’s no disgrace in owning your <ovf censored> ups in life.
One single sorry followed by how much I love you just doesn’t wash.A better statement would have been how sorry she was in taking her eye off the ball. How sorry she was for giving Flitcroft those windows and allowing him to dictate the club. How sorry she was for not fixing things like the toilets in the paddock whilst yards away she eats prawn sandwiches with Robbie Williams. How sorry she was for getting rid of good people at the club who were at the heart of our play off success. How sorry she was for royally <ovf censored> up this football club when the fans were <ovf censored> telling her 18 months ago!
Her promises and words now mean nothing.
Honeymoon period well and truly over.Well said. Talk is cheap. I have no confidence that any credible decision makers within the club exist - end of. At the moment the lunatics have taken over the asylum. I certainly wouldn't place my faith in DM from what I've seen.
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Problem is though that now much of the fan base has lost confidence in the decision making at Vale. I have lost confidence in DM, I expected much more tbh. We have an abysmal squad many of which are still under contract. Lose Garrity, Ripley and a few of the young lads and it's hello National League. I think any communications with supporters need to be clear. It hurts knowing this was going to happen. What hurts more is that those in charge allowed it to and don't look capable of doing anything about it.
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Done nothing to suggest he has a future at the Vale. Dismal.
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3 hours ago, werstayinup said:
I have no inside knowledge what so ever but i still fully expect Carol will want to give it a go next season even if that means breaking the wage structure at the club like we need to do to attract decent strikers for starters
Is there any rumour that the max wage at Port Vale is set at £3,500 a week? I'd heard a few are on more than that?
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I'll keep it simple. Moore has not impressed, he should have done better. Another error from
the phenomenal dream team in recruitment. Not for me.
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I was happy that we got Moore, though not so sure the timing of Crosby's departure was beneficial to anyone.
15 games later having witnessed a weak underbelly, lack of desire and professionalism at times, my thoughts now are that Moore is not the man and never will be. I assume Crosby told Carol and Flitcroft a few home truths prior to his sacking. For me Moore's appointment counts as one of very many critical errors of judgement from the top. Between them they have ruined what should have been a pathway onwards and upwards following May 22's promotion. Instead the wound became 'open' in January2023 until such time as now there is no hope of recovery. Moore has not impressed and regardless of people's thoughts on Andy Crosby, I firmly believe he would have done better, Arblaster or no Arblaster.
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Just now, darren1810 said:
Odd really as we only sign wonderful characters and outstanding human beings !
All part of the Flitcroft mantra.
1 minute ago, darren1810 said:Odd really as we only sign wonderful characters and outstanding human beings !
All part of the Flitcroft mantra.
According to Flitcroft and Carol. Not many wonderful characters and human beings out there in the second half v Exeter mate. Come to mention it after 2-2 not many human beings there at all! Unbelievable capitulation of what "was" or appeared to be a football club on the up in May 2022. January 2023 showed the true colours, the rest has just followed suit. It could get worse. Carol is quiet.
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2 minutes ago, darren1810 said:
Think that was load of bull mate.
He's been playing for Liverpool under 21's for ages. Perfectly fit.
Some said he was a big headed tool so was sent back for that reason.
I've no idea if any truth in that but he certainly wasn't out for the season and is playing week in week out.
Oh, either way, poor judgement mate. What a shambles. Clueless.
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2 minutes ago, darren1810 said:
Made as much impact as that other one game wonder. Dominic Blizzard.
2 minutes ago, darren1810 said:Made as much impact as that other one game wonder. Dominic Blizzard.
At least he got some minutes the lad from Liverpool was not even fit. Top class recruitment from our demised DOF. Shambles right through the place.
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7 hours ago, ValeForever. said:
Have loved having Ben at the club. He will probably go down as my favourite ever player from this era we're about to exit.
Gives his absolute best every single game even when he's not "on it". One of our best signings of the past decade, he will be very much missed. Plays like he supports the club, like he's been a fan all his life. Effort, commitment, strength, goals, passion.
If we'd had 11 players who cared as much as him all season, we'd have been safe weeks ago. The bloke deserves to be playing at this level & I hope for him, that he gets a really decent move. We will be a much poorer side without him.
Well said. Garrity will be fine, deserves success, as for us....
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7 hours ago, soothsayer said:
He may be off or when the dust settles he wish to become a true legend and stay. He is one of only an handful who deserves to stay.
Agree.
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8 hours ago, JoeB2 said:
She paid around £5m and had loaned us, interest-free, £8m, over 5 years.
Of course the losses are greater now, but that’s down to two factors:
1. Losses are higher across the football pyramid. Nearly every club is insolvent and reliant on director’s loans. Our losses have been very manageable (1m a year) until last season where clearly we made a dog’s breakfast out of League 1. Comparing losses for previous owners is useless.
2. 3.4m is a fairly standard loss for League 1. Very normal. It’s bad for us, but common for a lot of teams. You have to be spending way in excess of what you bring in to compete. Unfortunately, Carol fell for the BS from Flitcroft and consequently the money was poorly spent.
It’s clearly ‘give Carol a kicking’ season which is understandable- her poor leadership has squandered the opportunity created in May 2022 and set us back several years and several million. She should have listened earlier and set up a far better quality assurance structure to assess where the money was going.
I’m not coming out to bat for her. I was raising concerns in the immediate summer after promotion where our signings were non-existent and we played minimal friendlies. I had worries in January 2022 when we seemed to bundle home a load of questionable signings and very nearly fell out of the playoffs. It was a circus then, held together by a very good manager.
However, let us not rewrite history. Carol’s first two seasons were Covid-impacted, and in her first full season with fans we went up. Survival in League 1 was acceptable, if underwhelming last year, and then this year has been a disaster.
Folks emotionally predicting we’re on our way to non-league, that Carol has killed us, and that she hasn’t a clue what she’s doing are (in my view) emotionally and angrily lashing out after a relegation.
The fundamental truth, however some try to twist it, is that PVFC will always incur losses of at least 1m a year (as every club does) and someone has to pick up that bill. Carol is the current fool daft enough to do so, for the ego trip and adrenaline rush.
I’m really not bothered about apologies or ‘taking responsibility’, or making her March through Burslem whilst we chant ‘shame’ At her.
She just needs to quietly and without fuss go away, learn from the mistakes, and do what she did in 21/22. Moore’s rumoured wage suggests she is more than happy to throw more money at the financial black hole of PVFC. The alternative is she sells up, incurring about a £10m loss, to (most likely) a consortium of investors who would again have to foot the losses, without the attachment to the club or area.
We will be absolutely fine next year, and if I had to bet, I’d assume we’d have a fairly successful year considering the weakness of League 2 24/25. The cloth will have to be cut a large amount (which is probably going to force much-needed efficiencies) and the off-field structure needs completely reshaping, but as a serial moaner who is never satisfied I’m rather sanguine about it all.
The compounding effect of so many losses over the last 18 months have absolutely battered the fanbase emotionally. Everyone is knackered. There’s an intensity to how awful we’ve been. We’ve been crap for ages. We need the season to finish and to all find something else to do for 3 months. PVFC will be fine under Carol Shanahan - as much as that appears to be a controversial view on this thread.
An intelligent post that Joe. Thank you.
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1 minute ago, Brian Johnson said:
And if she is looking to make amends, she need's to pay off most of the this team from their contracts for next season, which is going to cost her a few quid and then she needs to spend another few quid on new players that are going to give us a chance of being in the promotion hunt next season.
This summer could be her mostly costliest yet and if we think the accounts do not look very good this year, wait until we seem them next year.
It's hard to believe how what looked to be a positive thriving business has capitulated to such a degree. You could not make it up. 'It's like Terry Mcdermott once said to me "How do you make a million in a football club/ ans: Invest £10 million", he lost money in shares at Newcastle and Celtic I believe.
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8 minutes ago, JoeB2 said:
I think Garrity was in tears at the end yesterday. He cares.
Garrity is our best player, sadly he'll be off.
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Can someone with accountancy accumen explain to me the reasoning behind the said £3M+ loss and loans outstanding owed. I'm told that the Shanahan's have ploughed up to £12 million into the club (I may be wrong on the exact amount). I assume this is classed as a loan (to their own business?) and recoverable either by sale or can it be offset in the Synectics accounts in some guise. We must have made decent profit in hospitality and merchandising. I remember Smurthwaite 'creaming off' the profit from catering/ hospitality etc and languishing the debt onto another side of the business, namely Port Vale FC? How does it work in the finance world. To me it's a mess that could have been avoided to this extent.
To me people with an existing, successful business don't walk into another venture and totally screw it up, football knowledge or not? Money is money afterall.
It is a very surreal, strange situation, one not witnessed before? Or is the current situation merely a 'wolf in sheeps clothing scenario'? Hard to believe, I'd hate to think we've been hoodwinked. I do hope as a footnote that DM was not recruited off the back of a 3 hour face-time interview?
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23 hours ago, News Feed said:
Dan Gore has joined the ranks of Port Vale players to only make a solitary appearance for the club after manager Darren Moore confirmed that the loanee would not appear again this season. Speaking to the media in the pre-match press conference this week, Moore confirmed: “Dan Gore won’t make it now for the rest […]
The post Man Utd midfielder won’t appear for Port Vale again this season appeared first on onevalefan.co.uk.
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12 hours ago, Phil500 said:
Never understood the combining of the ticket office/ club shop. Fine on non match days, but does not work at the other times. Can’t see how it has improved anything.Dozens of staff everywhere so three in the ticket office for a couple of hours costs next to nothing.
Basically they are clueless my friend. Mutton dressed as lamb. Not an ounce of common sense about the place.
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9 hours ago, mr1876 said:
Think you'll be ok having a browse round the shop next season because if we can't offload these crock of sh!t players they'll be nobody in there buying tickets
There is nice signage for the RW Suite entrance though so we'll be fine sir......El Presidente will ride again....
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10 minutes ago, Spunk Trumpet said:
I’ll get my tin hat on for this one.
It’s time she kopped the majority of blame here.
She bought the club debt free. And as Vale fans we were overjoyed after the last crook. However the last 18 months have been shambolic.
As fans I hear, yeah the academy are doing good. We will get millions for him and him. We have sold this lad to Man City for hundreds of thousands. Etc. Etc. Bearing in mind as supporters we don’t see that money.
So isn’t it right to question why we are almost 10 million in debt when she bought it debt free?
The bread and butter. The football. It’s garbage. With garbage footballers.
Shes also had 4 managers now in her short tenure. And I dare say the latest one won’t last long.
Shes divided a fanbase with her cringeworthy backing of a man who was intent on ruining Port Vale. David Flitcroft. And only sacked him after a group of fans had to give her head a wobble.
The laughs and jokes and arrogance as Flitcroft announced that relegation wasn’t in his vocabulary. Followed by the cringe distraction of “El Presidente”. Probably for her and his ego.
The Valiant Suite talk about how people she met 5 minutes ago told her our players are phenomenal and we won’t go down.
She was very quick to go on radio and tv across the country when it went good. Then sunk back into her shell, apart from the most pathetic open letter I’ve ever read, when she more or less slagged off her fanbase. Those that loved her. In support for one crook.
Sorry Carol. The time has come to break your silence.
The last 18 months has been an absolute disaster. And the repercussions will carry on because that debt isn’t good, the players are garbage, the manager is looking like a dear in the headlights, and the fans are well and truly demoralized with the whole debacle.
The buck stops at the top.
Before any idiot says “Who do you want to buy us”, I’m not saying she should sell. My point is that her decisions, as owner of this football club, have got us into this financial mess and on the pitch it’s an absolute disgrace. The worst Vale team I’ve seen in 40 plus years. And if it was Smurthwaite at the helm, going through all of this, you’d all be raging.She needs to be accountable for her actions.
Can't argue with any of that personally. We are not privy to what appeared to be "pie-in-the-sky" ideals of academy funding and the 'campus', let alone the loan and use of Premier League 2 youngsters - not viable in my opinion at this level at this moment in time. Yes, there needs to be a focus on youth and making the club sustainable for years to come commercially and professionally football-wise.
Look at the effect on the fan base in regards to changes in the ticket office/ club shop as an example, not to mention the Paddock portaloos and exit debacles. A good example again today. We walked into the shop at 2.20pm today to look at and possibly purchase merchandise - no chance!! The queue was massive with I assume people arriving late and wanting match tickets? You could not view merchandise and even if you did try to purchase you would have probably missed kick-off? There are many issues/ examples of a distinct lack of common-sense about the place.
The second half performance today was without question as bad if not worse than any performance I have witnessed since first attending in 1975. I struggle to reason exactly as to why things have unravelled so quickly and at such cost to the Shanahans financially. It is obviously poor decision making on both the playing side and future structure modelling of the club.
Some comments from within particularly in regard to Flitcroft "going nowhere" were derogatory and condescending to the fan base, were these said comments merely a defence of the indefensible or born of arrogance from an inner circle environment that clearly had a 'plan' of sorts and the rest can go to 'hell in a hand cart whatever may'?
That said this is an embarrassing, expensive, harsh lesson to learn leaving the club in financial woe and it's fan base totally demoralised at a time when this certainly shouldn't be the case following on from the euphoria of the 2022 promotion.
Sad, very sad.
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5 hours ago, valiant_593 said:
That’s what the transfer window is for. Let’s offer Massey a new deal as well as we don’t have better. Makes no sense what so ever. 4 goals and 0 assists in 31 games is dire. I also fail to see why he should be playing at a much higher level.
Had it not been for injury he would be playing at a higher level. I agree we can't carry injury prone players and it remains to be seen what happens this summer window.
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For one, I'd never support Stoke and secondly, forget about the early 'love-in' with Carol. I do appreciate the fact that the Shanahan's came in and 'saved' the club when they did. I'm merely talking about the here and now, grave errors have been made on and off the pitch, there is no getting away from that. You are right, it's my choice and my money. I'm hurting like many others and it is my opinion based on supporting Vale for 49 years. I'm not a happy clapper.