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I’ll get my tin hat on for this one. It’s time she kopped the majority of blame here. She bought the club debt free. And as Vale fans we were overjoyed after the last crook. However the last 18 months have been shambolic. As fans I hear, yeah the academy are doing good. We will get millions for him and him. We have sold this lad to Man City for hundreds of thousands. Etc. Etc. Bearing in mind as supporters we don’t see that money. So isn’t it right to question why we are almost 10 million in debt when she bought it debt free? The bread and butter. The football. It’s garbage. With garbage footballers. Shes also had 4 managers now in her short tenure. And I dare say the latest one won’t last long. Shes divided a fanbase with her cringeworthy backing of a man who was intent on ruining Port Vale. David Flitcroft. And only sacked him after a group of fans had to give her head a wobble. The laughs and jokes and arrogance as Flitcroft announced that relegation wasn’t in his vocabulary. Followed by the cringe distraction of “El Presidente”. Probably for her and his ego. The Valiant Suite talk about how people she met 5 minutes ago told her our players are phenomenal and we won’t go down. She was very quick to go on radio and tv across the country when it went good. Then sunk back into her shell, apart from the most pathetic open letter I’ve ever read, when she more or less slagged off her fanbase. Those that loved her. In support for one crook. Sorry Carol. The time has come to break your silence. The last 18 months has been an absolute disaster. And the repercussions will carry on because that debt isn’t good, the players are garbage, the manager is looking like a dear in the headlights, and the fans are well and truly demoralized with the whole debacle. The buck stops at the top. Before any idiot says “Who do you want to buy us”, I’m not saying she should sell. My point is that her decisions, as owner of this football club, have got us into this financial mess and on the pitch it’s an absolute disgrace. The worst Vale team I’ve seen in 40 plus years. And if it was Smurthwaite at the helm, going through all of this, you’d all be raging. She needs to be accountable for her actions.

On 1st January we were 15th in the league with 29 points from 23 games. Exeter were 4th bottom with 23 points. We signed 5 players none of whom started today and none of whom are league one standard. Exeter signed 4 players and 2 of them scored 3 of their goals today. If anyone thinks our position is down to anything other than completely sh*** recruitment then they must be mad. Each transfer window we have rebuilt with polystyrene instead of bricks. And we seem to have spent a ludicrous amount of money in doing so. Moore makes mistakes but he has inherited a squad that is lacking in balance, bottle and balls. That's all.

Gutless. Cowards. Pathetic. And I’m not just on about the shameful players on that pitch. If we win together and lose together then the whole club should hang their heads tonight. In my 44 years on this planet, I’ve never seen a worse 45 minutes on a football pitch. Disgusted. We deserve to go down. Carol needs to hang her head in shame with her decisions throughout the last 18 months. Those players, who go crying to her because some podcast is slating them, need to get some thick skin because as a collective they are absolutely pathetic. Bez on his podcast is right. Bottlejobs. The lot of them. That 2nd half was disgusting. Darren Moore. What the <ovf censored> have you said at half time?!!!!! I’ve had the mans back but that is criminal to defend a 2-0 lead. League 2 next season. 9 million in debt. Dogshit players. Signed a lad from the USA 2nd division for the remainder of the season who can’t get in the squad with 4 games to go! Seriously. If this was under Smurthwaite we would be raging! The buck stops at the top. The decisions that have been made have been nothing short of a disgrace. Owner. Manager. Coaching Staff. Players. Today. As representatives of Port Vale Football Club, you’re an absolute disgrace.

I clapped. I told them to get their heads up and go again Saturday. I did it because as fans we have nothing else left we can do. These players are the only ones who can get us out of this. We've got two massive games on Saturday and Tuesday. We need to stay behind them until the end now. Giving them a round of <ovf censored> and booing them will do nowt. Showing them we're backing them just might. Give the players/the club/the recruitment team etc... both barrels if we do go down. Anyone who knows me will tell you that if I don't think they're putting it in, I'll let them know. But right now the only option as fans is giving every bit of support we can (even if it looks like the players aren't). At least we've done our bit then.

At least nobody can say Vale can’t buy a Wynne now.

I haven't read the whole thread so apologies for that. If I put myself into Carols position right now, I would be really struggling emotionally and mentally. Carol had total trust in Dave Flitcroft and he has only been gone for a very short time. I would imagine there is some sort of grieving process she is going through. The video that was recorded of her in the Valiant Suite and then put online has effected her trust in how things are perceived. She will feel that everything she says will be used against her and that leaves her in a very isolated and difficult position when it comes to communication. It was very naïve of her to do what she did in front of paying fans, they are not trusted friends. However, publishing a video of somebody clearly distressed is a pretty awful thing to do and most of us would have been absolutely devastated by it. We feel like we do about the situation as fans, imagine having invested millions and ending up back at square one, how would you feel? Yes there is plenty that Carol herself has done wrong, not least trusting the former DoF, but even if it is her fault she is still a person who needs to come to terms with it all. I am prepared to give her next season. The Shanahan's have the very best interests of the club at heart, even if they are getting it wrong at the moment in various areas. Lets just remember that whilst its ok to criticise what's happened, its not ok to criticise Carol as a person. She probably needs more support right now than ever before.

Who even cares anymore. Just hurry up and get relegated so we can put this miserable season behind us.

This is how I feel about Carol. Insulted. My son and I have STs. It's a pain to get to home games as I have an elderly relative who is very ill and due to working Monday-Friday,Saturday is the only time to visit. To commit to the team I run round to make it to the game. On Tuesdays we have to shop so it's a similar routine. Wolf some food down and rush to the game. Carol appointed Flitcroft. The decision to move home fans to the Hamil would have gone ahead anyway,with or without a vote. Carol is overheard saying our players are phenomenal. Flitcroft says publicly he hasn't considered relegation. Carol sacks the manager after the January window. Carol lets Flitcroft go. Carol appoints Moore,on a 5 year deal. Carol oversees the El Presidente fiasco. Carol sends a snotty condescending letter to the fans. All these things,and more,have happened whilst she is the owner. That's me done. I won't be running round like an idiot on Tuesdays and Saturdays. She doesn't deserve people to do this,whilst she seems to think burying her head in the sand is the answer. I will look for the results but I feel absolutely empty after yesterday. The team have lost 24 home games out of 43 in this division. Iacovitti said pre match that when the crowd gets going it frightens the opposition. Does it? I don't think so. Carol needs to apologise for mistake after mistake after mistake. I admire the diehard fans who will watch Vale whatever division they are in,but for me, yesterday was the final straw. I haven't enjoyed being in this division watching the team lose every other week. It's depressing. The only person who thinks they are doing a good job is Carol.

I’ve previously posted on here over the years as I’ve actually got a lot of time for Vale, so thought I’d drop in again today for obvious reasons, but I know now isn’t the time to gloat or even to make light of anything (I’m an Exeter fan). Yesterday was a classic game of two halves - first half you were strong and we were poor, you won the first and second balls, you played with purpose and pace and your unit up top was battering us. Second half we stepped up and you just looked like a completely different team, it was bizarre. I thought we played great second half, we dominated possession, were aggressive out of possession, passed the ball around nicely and scored three good goals and a deflection. A big turning point was Moore taking off your big striker, we coped easily with everything else you had (although to be fair we were managing him a lot better in the second half than we had in the first). Keep the faith though, a win on Tuesday and you’ll feel a lot better. It’ll be tough at Bolton of course but then the Cambridge game could easily be one of the great games as you win to stay up. I hope you do - good luck.

Just got back home after driving back to Somerset. Haven't read the thread but I will give my opinion of what I saw today. First half well worth the 2 goal lead without playing particularly well but didn't have to because Exeter were toothless in attack and Vale were on the front foot. Second half started and alarm bells started to ring straight away. In their first attack Exeter almost scored but were only denied a goal by Ripley pulling off a fine reflex save. From the on it was very much one way traffic towards the Vale goal. Vale seemed to sit back and try to protect their lead with the almost inevitable consequence of conceeeding goals. We got battered second half with weakness at full back being exploited ruthlessly. Their keeper had nothing to do second half, Vale's only shot hitting the Hamil Rd stand roof And what genius tactical plan did the manager come up with. He took Uche off and replaced him with Jensen Weir. So up front we had no physical presence to occupy the Exeter central defenders. Today we witnessed the recruitment shortcomings of this season. Exeter playing poorly made substitutions that altered the course of the game and improved significantly. Vale had nobody on the bench that was capable of turning the game back in our favour. Relegation now beckons and it will be deserved on that performance and many others this season.

The second half was absolutely horrendous. From the second the teams came out, with two changes made from their side, it was complete dominance for Exeter. Woods began to run things and we never had any concerted possession of the ball. Moore was completely outwitted by Caldwell. His subs were appalling. Weir up front with Dipepa at 2-1 left us with no outlet at all - if Uche had to go off, Loft was the sub. The lack of change between 2-1 and 2-4 was startling. Incredibly passive with no effort to take a hold on things. The lack of leadership within the squad was stark. The heads-down trudge at 2-2 spoke volumes. Not a single rallying cry. Only Chislett looked bothered as the game went on. The microcosm of the players mentality could be witnessed at the end, for the 100 daft enough to stay. Moore scarpered immediately. The players sort of milled around in the centre circle, bereft of leadership. Uche convinced them to go and clap the fans. They trudged round to silence and a few boos, and then Uche starting having a very aggressive debate with a fan. He had to be pulled away perhaps 5 times, returning time and again like a petulant child. Completely unedifying. This was coming. I gave up at Derby, then gave myself belief when Flitcroft went and we beat Burton. I wanted to get behind them again. Fundamentally this is a very, verypoor squad with a very poor character blend, lacking heart and courage in key moments. Letting 2 goal leads slip at Vale Park has killed us. We have to look at Moore, unfortunately. Yes, the squad is poor, but 2 wins from 15 with a pretty decent run of fixtures is awful and makes Crosby’s record look decent. He will go into League 2 with a poor record, an unconvinced fanbase, and a squad pretty similar to now - all damaged by a relegation, a poor relationship with fans, and dreadful runs of form - it must be 2 wins in nearly 25 now. I imagine relegation will be sealed at Bolton. Relegation to League 2 isn’t apocalyptic, and Carol will continue to pick up the tab to keep us existing - I hope. However, she needs to reflect on what has been an awful two years since promotion, a completely squandered opportunity. Decision-making has been poor, at best. It’s going to have to improve relatively soon or we’ll have bigger problems then losing 3M a year. We’ll all turn up against next year, but this feels particularly damaging - I think we all felt a new era had dawned at Wembley. Feels now like a brief distraction from more of the same.

Spinning singing a defender on a short term deal who's never played in the EFL and hasn't played at all since October when he managed 9 minutes in the American second division, especially when we're about to be relegated to league 2, as "Carol has once again shown her financial commitment with an promising new signing as the club begin to build for next season." Behave.

First sign of failure. I get that. January window last year. We nearly went down. Second sign of failure. August window. Still no striker. Hello. Massive red flag. That was the point he gets sacked. Third sign of failure. This January. Nothing changed. No improvement. Ridiculous recruitment. Now the blokes job is untenable. Febraury comes and she lauds the bloke like he’s the second coming!! Tell me I’m wrong. Shes <ovf censored> up.

The hard truth about today as far as I'm concerned is we scored a deflected goal and their keeper had a mare for the second, they changed things around at half time and we didn't have a clue, not a scooby,it was obvious after 5 minutes of the 2nd half they would score but not 4. The substitutions were bizarre, surely Loft on for Uche, there again I didn't see Loft he was missing for the half time kick around and I couldn't see him on the bench, was he even there ? Weir on for Uche rendered our forward line redundant, if I had known that Dipeppa and Weir would have been our forward line during one of our most important games of the season I would have thought you were off your rocker. I feel as though we have given our place in the 1st division away cheaply, starting off 7 zip in August, building a side round loan players and injury ridden journeymen and no strikers then going on to playing with no passion or commitment is unforgivable for me, the decision to leave Crosby in position for so long was unforgivable and not having a proper recruitment process in place to replace him was also unforgivable. Next season will be no easier, we don't have a nucleus of a good side, to many of the current team are bottlers but are under contract next season, we had the basis of a solid 1st division side when we left Wembley 2 years ago, we are nowhere near that standard tonight.

My two pence. I think anyone seriously calling for Carol's head really really needs to take a long hard look at where we were under Smurf and where we are now. On the pitch it's absolutely garbage, Carol is not a football expert and employed an absolute ball bag to oversee football operations who spent loads of money on terrible players and terrible managers. The only fault I place at her door is that she was too loyal both to flickdick and Crosby (although in hindsight what could he do with the utter maggots in the squad we've got). Off the pitch, we've got toilet issues, but we've also got a lot of positive stuff going on. The Academy is flying, due to competent people being put in place to run it in will ryder. Toilets aside we are making improvements in our facilities year on year. She's not perfect, but the accounts alone show that we are absolutely indebted to her both for positive cash flow and for saving us from Smurfs greedy mits. Were all angry right now, she put our squad building in the hands of a charlatan and he's delivered a relegation for us. But be careful what you wish for trying to chase her out.

One of the top 2/3 most important signings for L2 next season will be a new Captain. I've just been reading loads of player signing press releases from this season and there's so much emphasis dedicated to gushing over how nice they are. It's <ovf censored> pathetic. Lopata got shoved face first into an advertising board at Cheltenham away, the dossers just watched unbothered. Yates/Pope/Gibbo/Morsy/Hall etc would have gone mental. Not this lot, here you go Cheltenham here's your 3 points from a losing position. I am very surprised given his playing style and but Smith has demonstrated time and time again he was a poor choice to be Captain. He can't steel them up. We've fallen apart like wet cardboard far too many times. We need an entirely new face to head up a 95% new squad.

I think I disagree with every sentence. The club hasn't been killed. The atmosphere and feel good factor have been mind you. We'll still be in business next season, thanks to Carol. I don't think she is egotistical or patronising, but she has made mistakes - big ones, that are going to cost the club, and so her. I didn't have a problem with her open letter either, I thought it was front foot after all the stick she gets for being on the back foot. And she ate some humble pie when Flitcroft left after she said he was going nowhere. I don't get these "vanity project" comments - what sane person throws her personal wealth at a "vanity project" in the way Carol has done at great cost to herself? It would make no sense, and she is a shrewd business woman. And her losing a few million is like you losing £500? I don't see it. She has put heart and soul into the club, made mistakes, will pay for them from her own pocket, and try to get us back up if/when we do go down. Regular fans buying season tickets will too, but I think the comparison ends there. We're all angry, but personal attacks on Carol's character are out of order, in my view. I'm glad she's our chairwoman, and I hope she sticks around to see us promoted again.

Does me bloody head in lol...!! He can be frustrating 😂 but he sure has Vales best interest at heart & is very passionate. We’re all Vale 💙

I can’t really add much more to what has already been said. What an absolute calamity of an afternoon- we deserve relegation. If we’d have won today, not only would we have edged away from Cheltenham, as well as kept up with Burton, but we would have closed the gap on Shrewsbury (same GD) & Cambridge (last home game of the season) to just three points with three games left. Darren Moore hang your head in shame, that was the most shocking half of football I’ve seen at Vale. I’m genuinely shocked there isn’t more criticism in his direction at the minute. Absolutely pissed off this evening…

What name you coming back under in a few weeks pal? Sublime smudge 🤔

Just more evidence of how shocking the recruitment has been when we can only bring on a midfielder who’s been poor so far on loan for a striker who’s shattered after 50 mins having to leave the only forward on the pitch being a 17 year old scholar. Whilst the other 2 strikers on the books are in the treatment room with less than 4 goals between them. Complete shambles

Agree to an extent. Carol's got the club at heart and is a brilliant owner in terms of intentions. We'll always have a club with her at the helm. But. But. She's seriously neglected the first team at the expense of everything else and has swallowed too much of everyone else's bull. A season back in League Two might actually help her/us refocus on what the main priority actually is. How many Vale fans would swap the big screen and fancy restaurant for 10 more points this season? Virtually everyone I'd imagine.

4 0 second half capitulation against a team supposedly "on the beach". That was the most embarrassing 45 minutes I think I've ever seen from a Vale side. DMs substitutions were woeful. Exeter changed it at half time by going with wingers and DM didn't react. When he eventually started making subs, they were baffling! Awful manager. Yes, he was quickly down the tunnel at the end, leaving his players to it, to get the stick off the (very few of us) fans that stayed until the end. We need a better manager than DM. We need better players than the likes of Grant, Massey, Sang, Weir, Loft... We have looked certain for relegation for months now. There are ten teams that are awful, and we're amongst the worst four of them. Yet another Saturday night ruined! Shambolic, from 2 0 up at home. I'm seething. Uche played really well today. First player subbed off! Why???? Grant and Sang played the entire 90 minutes! Why???? Dogshite second half from both. Weir jogged about when he came on, hardly put a tackle in at all! Terrible, terrible 2nd second half!

I very nearly put a thread on yesterday after looking through League 1 and Championship accounts. The blunt reality is you largely need to be losing £4m+ to compete at the top end of League 1 - only Plymouth are an outlier and in real danger of an immediate return. 7 of the top 8 lost at least £4m in 22/23 with far larger turnover than us, which really illustrates the discrepancy in wage budget. Posh and Pompey each spent around £8m on wages last season - neither went up. Ipswich spent nearly £13m on wages alone. You need to be losing £15m to then just stay in the Championship, spending £20-30m on wages alone. If we ever fluked it, we’re back down within 2 seasons. You get the very odd exception, but clubs who don’t lose £15m a year in the Championship come down - Wycombe, Blackpool, and Rotherham being the most obvious examples. There is absolutely no doubt that the club has horrendously spent in the last 18 months, and 3.4m is hefty loss to finish 18th (around the second or third highest of teams who finished in the bottom half), but we cannot take for granted that Carol is effectively happy to write off millions per annum to keep PVFC afloat. Only one club didn’t lose money in 22/23 and that was Cheltenham, who are likely down this year. Burton didn’t lose much, and are in danger of the drop this year. Same for Shrewsbury. Otherwise, it’s losses of 1m+ I’ve been very vocal in my critical of decision-making, but I’m finding some of the stick Carol is getting absolutely ludicrous. Her intentions are good and she’s probably our best option of having an owner who is happy to plug the financial gap that the system demands of owners without having ulterior motives.

They did that first half Saturday then forgot/gave up second half. Worst Vale performance I've seen in a long time that. Depressing.

Look, we know Vale Fan in Alsager and Devine Intervention hated Nathan Smith but I'm surprised at this from you? 😉

They are. We don't even have a balanced enough squad to field a proper starting eleven as it stands, without compromise of playing people out of position. Absolutely criminal.

I posted the retained list I wanted to see last month after we threw away a 2-0 lead (I know, it's unheard of right?) against Fleetwood. One amendment. List Ripley. Sick of him pissing about at the back and then getting into arguments with Smith when he blames the defenders for his own antics.

im at that point of not wanting to watch this team anymore. the gulf between vale and pboro is embarrassing and depressing at the same time. and theyre not bigger a club than vale. just better run by people who know what theyre doing. the season cant end fast enough and the thought of watching this lot next season regardless which division we are in is an even more horrific prospect.

Embarrassing going to a side in the same division and setting up and playing like we were league 2 away at a premier club One shot on target and one corner both in injury time The less said about that car crash line up the better Sent from my XQ-CC54 using onevalefan mobile app

There has been some directed to her with comments on twitter (x) which obviously you can tag in so they see it and are notified. Shes messed up but doesnt deserve abuse and we need to support her and the club in trying to put things right going forward.

After many years of supporting the Vale through thick and thin, home and away, for the first time every I really don't want to go tomorrow night, I just don't think I can face it anymore.....what is wrong with me ?

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I've heard Moore's interview. Apparently the players aren't mentally strong enough. When our WBs are getting passed time after time,why not bring Shorrock and Plant on? When Uche was holding the ball up in the first half and he gets knackered,why replace him with a MF? We have been in front 5 times under Moore...won at Burton,won against Bristol,lost today,at Cheltenham and drew against Fleetwood. He is a really poor manager in my eyes...9 points out of 42 and our GD has gone from minus 15 to minus 30

This “load of crap” to get to a quarter final of a cup beat Fleetwood, just. Ripley pulled off a superb late save. Beat Crewe. Just. On penalties. Beat bottom of the entire league Sutton, just. A late Ojo wonder hit. Beat Mansfield. Just. And then waved the white flag against anyone half decent. Let’s not rewrite history. Andy Crosby was never a football manager and will never make a football manager.

Is anyone surprised that even loads of season ticket holders no longer give a fig what Vale do. Club is a total embarrassing shambles. Management and players need to hang their heads in shame. Absolute bottlers.

It’s an expensive one , if that’s the case. I don’t know of too many vanity projects with a yearly loss of £3.4M.

Or toilets

Ah yes, "shooting from the hip" - another tired cliche used by people who don't know what to say to explain themselves, but want to sound relevant and with it. Don't confuse "burying my head in the sand" with me taking a less reactionary and more moderate stance on the Vale than you, though it's an easy mistake to make for an idiot. What is it that you see with your head out of the sand, you <ovf censored>? Your response to everything seems to run to the extreme immediately, which is simply attention seeking garbage. Another meaningless cliche - "cloud cuckoo land" - I suspect you don't even know what you mean by that either, but it's just a way of trying to put you "in the real world" and diminish the opinion of "happy clappers" as you term them, ie the fans who refuse to join you in going ballistic when things go wrong, and discuss things reasonably without shouting. Keep crying the tears of a clown Nappy Soiler, and watch how many people can't be bothered with your negativity and crass opinions. I'll continue to support the Vale my way, and leave you to your cliches and your multiple emojis, you one trick keyboard plonker. I'll leave you to get back to your crayoning and cliche collection.

Looks like the Peterborough defence will each get their £500 bonus for keeping a clean sheet. Easy money, two of them could have worked from home.

Ryan Loft, Gavin Massey, Jason Lowe, Rhys Walters,connor grant. Get in your cars after the game and don't come back. The epitome of dross.

If you feel that much compassion to Carol then compensate her by reimbursing her with some of the money you extracted from her, when you held a gun to the clubs head.?. This is our club nothing to do with you anymore. Go stick your nose into someone else’s business. Adios.

0-3. Another team some expected would be cannon fodder like Exeter. Don't know if they are still horrible and physical. Either way they'll have too much. 25 months since a home league win under the lights. I anticipate that will stretch to 28 or 29 months after Tuesday. Can't wait for this abysmal season to end. 3-3-12 reads our last 18 homes. Utter disgrace to the shirt.

It’s not even the worst since 2015. Has everyone forgotten finishing 20th in League 2?

I'm struggling to see the misogyny in my post to be honest. I'm simply suggesting that she might enjoy the prestige of being one of the few female owners in football a little too much. That's no reflection on her as a person, or as a woman. In fact, I think it's great that we have a female owner. Jeez, why does everyone try and find offense in everything these days?

I think this is a great post. I would like to state that let’s not get this topic turned into a slagging off of Carol. It’s more of massive mistakes have been made and the club has become a circus. And now is the time to address it and make sure, under her leadership, we are never in this situation again. If we lose on Tuesday we are down. Simple as that. Her negligence and stubbornness cannot ever happen again and she clearly needs help from good people. And not one or two but like TJH says, a group of people. A proper board. To make decisions. Not some dippy bloke over in the states who wants to put on a shirt when it suits him and she falls in love with him. It’s time this club started acted professionally again from the very very top. Where it clearly hasn’t for a good 18 months. And one last point. Feed the area. Be a good community club. Be nice. As fans we are all for that! But….. When we are 22nd in league 1. Hadn’t won a game in god knows how long. And you’re posting a picture of Carol and David smiling because they’ve walked a mile and raised 559 quid, or whatever, for some charity, expect the backlash from the average fan who don’t see this as an IT business. They want heart, passion, commitment and quality on the pitch. All of which were lacking today. And the majority of the season. Ultimately Carol, Port Vale Football Club fans couldn’t care less about anything other than two things. 1. To have a team that represents us and gives their all week in week out. 2. A manager and owner who will have our back and tell us the way forward and how our club is going to progress. As of the 13th of April 2024, we don’t have either. And we are a long long way from getting any of those 2 things in my opinion.

The sad reality is the club has had as many bizarre decisions that we saw under Smurfwaite. It may be wrapped in the cuddly, warm quilt of community clubs and self styled saviour nonsense, but things like Flitcroft, President Robbie, poor summer funding for strikers, dreadful January windows, irate letters to fans are pure Smurfwaite level errors. What we really need is a board of investors with real knowledge who can truly scrutinize decisions being made. Having a DOF as a director in Flitcroft was madness. We basically gave him the right to mark his own homework!

They don’t usually hold interviews for more than one person.

The more I think about this collapse today. Were it Pompey or Derby who came from 2 down to beat us I'd still be fuming but accepting that they are going for promotion. To actually do it against a mid table experimental team with nothing to play for is an achievement in itself. A laughing stock you've made us today . Shame on you.

Battered by a team with better football players - what an excellent side Posh are with a lovely mix of technical quality and athleticism. The players are fighting and Moore is organising them in a better fashion than we have been for most of the season. 4 games left. 3 at home. 7 points needed. All we can do is get behind this group on Saturday and Tuesday. Those games will decide the season.