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  1. I wrote the following account yesterday but decided to sleep on it before posting. I feel I must now clarify, given the responses since the release of the official statement. OK, so to first explain how this has come about. I am the co-founder of the Black & Gold Group, but also current sitting Secretary of the Supporters' Club. The SC, B&G and NLV have all been interwoven for many years, simply because we are all Vale fans with the same ultimate aims. We all offer differing viewpoints on things but remain active together to provide a widespread view on situations. B&G have remained active, albeit in the background, for many years, mainly as observers and researchers. With my SC hat on, we have been increasingly frustrated with everything at the club, same as everyone else. We therefore requested a committee meeting a couple of months or so ago with the inclusion of Matt Hancock, who has offered himself up to the SC as the conduit between us and the club. The relationship between SC and club has drifted apart as we feel that the club have not wanted to engage with us, and it seems that they have hijacked events that the SC have traditionally held, on behalf of the fans. We all feel that the club are trying to control everything. This meeting was intense. I'm not slow at coming forward with my views, and neither is Paul Dixon, and Matt got absolute pelters. To his credit, he took it all very well. Never argued, never complained, never flounced off or made excuses. He took it all in. Following that meeting, Mark Porter, Paul Dixon, and I have remained in constant contact with Matt, intensely pointing out the level of unrest amongst the fanbase. He could quite easily cease communications with me because I have hardly been complimentary at times, but I have tried to reflect the level of anger, frustration, disappointment, and downright disengagement from the club. Matt has actively sought to understand all of that. We then held another meeting with Matt to delve a little deeper into the supporter discontent. This then led to Matt setting up a meeting with Carol for him relay the mounting concerns to her, with her full attention. It was then mutually agreed that a meeting should be held between us to face this head on. During this period, other fans have also been voicing their concerns in their own ways to the club, so we therefore asked them to join in a collaborative effort. Matt then gave us a list of dates that Carol would be available, and the meeting was set. At no point were we given a time limit, a limit on numbers of members that could attend, or any actual pre-requisites at all. All that was asked towards the date looming was a list of names of those attending. The meeting was initially going to be between us and just Matt Hancock and Carol. A couple of us then debated the merits of also requesting the attendance of Paddy. We decided against it, but then as the meeting approached, we were told that Carol would like him to attend. We ran it by our groups, and it was agreed that he should attend. So, on Monday evening, we held a meeting between 7pm until just gone 10pm. The burning topic, of course, was David Flitcroft. My view remains that I cannot see his position anything other than untenable. A sentiment held by all of us on our side of the table. Let's not dress that up any other way. The overwhelming evidence of fans in the ground, fans in the pubs, fans on social media, forums such as this and radio phone-ins, is that very few have remaining faith in our Director of Football. You must understand that, had we sat down and screamed that Flitcroft is a w***** and he needs to f*** off, a 3-hour meeting would not have lasted 3 minutes. And we would also be doing a dis-service to the other points that needed addressing. We went into the meeting well researched, with a formal agenda from which to raise our points. After lots and lots of debate around the obvious, we then discussed the other topics; those being the communications coming out of the club, the problems with ticketing, the matchday supporter facilities and overall 'experience' and the potential for better fan engagement with the club going forward. The club seemed surprised at some of the issues raised. They did admit failings in communication, they also saw a different viewpoint on the other topics that they had not considered. Above all else, they appeared genuinely shocked and saddened at what we were telling them, in terms of the overall disconnect between fans and club. Now, we all know that admitting failure, and expressing shock and sadness at things is all well and good, but they need to let their actions do the talking. We hope that they now understand that loud and clear. It's over to them to deliver results. So please let me make it abundantly clear. We recognise that fans are not happy. This season, we have seen fans fighting amongst themselves in the stands. We have seen much anger directed at Flitcroft, at our players for abject performances. We have seen growing complaints against the disparity of ground improvements. We have an utterly unworkable relationship between the Supporters' Club and the club. We have seen an alarming lack of respect shown to us fans by the club, not least by way of Carol's letter, David Flitcroft's Podcast, and the ignorance displayed towards our concerns at the last fans' forum. We are taking those issues to the club because they all need to be fixed. Do not think for one moment that we are easily pacified. But we must be logical. We cannot just rock up with a list of demands. There will have to be compromise and understanding from both sides. The first step in that healing process is to meet and hit the problems head on. Monday's meeting was exactly that. We don't have any answers, or results to report back on, from one solitary, intense meeting. But it is the start of some much needed honest and frank dialogue. How this pans out is yet to be decided. We've been in much worse states. We have battled to remove two rogue owners in the last 13 or so years. These owners are not rogue. But it's fair to say they have misaligned their focus. Please support us in regaining that. And please understand our respect for the Shanahan family, despite all our current differences. We've hopefully now opened doors and we look forward to the club holding much more open dialogue with the wider fanbase.
    62 points
  2. I dont have much to add that Bede and Mellor haven't already said however I would like to say something about my own experience of Monday and the few days since. I am as guilty as anybody of bashing out my opinion on the Internet without any regard for the people I am talking about. Many people give the impression that they would love to have the opportunity to "put the owners right" on a few things. It was not pleasant seeing first hand just how much the situation is affecting Carol. I think we all forget sometimes that the people we lambast are just that, people. We often think its OK to scream all sorts of things into the Internet but it really isn't. I have had a very strange week, where I have seen people take a statement and add their own conotations to it and talk about them like they are fact. I have seen the absolute worst of people on all SM platforms, screaming all sorts of made up theories into the ether. I understand the clamour for detail and there was alot of debate behind the scenes over what, if anything we should say further. We have been under alot of pressure to get this right. One part of the official joint statement that seemed to attract alot of critism was the part about urging fans to put aside frustration to help give the players and management a boost. I will hold my hands up and say that I wrote that part and not the club. It was never meant to insinuate that fans hadn't been supportive and was only intended as it was written. It was simply asking people to but it on the back burner to deal with later whilst we try to slavage league one status. I felt that there was pertinence in acknowledging we are in a relegation battle and also in acknowledging there is fan frustration. I got that wrong, so please don't bash the club for my misjudgement. Some of the critism we faced was too much. As I have said, I have been massively guilty of this myself and after this week, I must be better in future because I now know first hand that things we say on the Internet do effect people personally. Meeting Carol under these circumstances has reassured me that the whole family are absolutely the right people to look after the best interests of the club. I have not changed my mind about David Flitcroft, I am still of the opinion that he cannot come back from this. I wanted to just calrify and apologise for my part in the statement and also to appeal to people to think a bit more before they sit at a keyboard. I can't see how we stay up but one thing I will say from Monday is that Carol and Paddy have an absolute belief in Darren Moore, so until the fat lady sings, I'll be crossing my fingers that we are still a league one side next season. I would say, let's get behind them on Saturday and see if we can't get 3 points to put us back in the race... but perhaps not.
    43 points
  3. Hello,, Firstly, thank you for being a part of the OVF community. It's a community where I would like people to get along, disagree without resorting to personal abuse and where the focus should be primarily on Port Vale. I have a confession to make - for a long time I have steered clear of the Politics section as I found some of the views on there wound me up. This was a mistake as I really wasn't aware of what was going on in there. As a result, when I recently went back in I was shocked. This section seems a totally different world to the rest of OVF - it's full of personal abuse, conspiracy theories and (often) racist views. All of these things are against our forum rules. We also have a small team of admin staff who volunteer their time free of charge. It's not fair on them to spent time moderating such arguments. I have come to the conclusion that politics is too provocative a subject and doesn't have any place in what is ultimately a forum to discuss football. So, with apologies to those who want to genuinely engage in political discussion, I am closing the Politics section with immediate effect. Please note - political messages posted in other sections will be deleted. This is my personal decision as OVF founder. There are other places online to discuss politics. From now on, OVF is a politics free zone. Thanks, Rob
    33 points
  4. Absolutely massive credit to Bede, Mellor, Mark, Tony, Jean, NLV lads, and anyone I missed off. They braved it and talked Carol into viewing things very differently. Got a load of undeserved stick from people who didn’t have a clue. Once again, these lads and ladies sacrifice time and effort for PVFC. Raising a glass to them.
    32 points
  5. I've not really said anything so far but keep seeing the recurrence of people "having their belly tickled" "smoke blown up their arse" "not asking the hard questions that fans want asking". Bede, Dicko, Tony and myself were there as part of B&G. If you think we are the type of people that would have our bellies tickled and not ask the hard questions, then I'm not sure how to change your mind, epecially people like Spunkers who have seen us on multiple protests, meetings, etc... Collectively we have got rid of two lots of disgraceful owners, yet went into the meeting to offer an olive branch to the club to try and resolve current tensions. This is because the Shanahan's, in my opinion, truly have the best wishes of the club at heart and it is not them that is the problem. We want to work with them to try and sort this current discontent and anger out. Of course the main topic was the director of football. But do you think you can really go in and tell Carol to get rid and walk out? The meeting would be over in an instant. The club now realise how deep rooted this is and they have to try and alleviate the tension. How they do that is up to them. We know what we want to happen, but Carol owns the club and we can't hold her by gun point, but we can try and make her realise the massive feeling of discontent. What the club do now is their decision. We have started the conversation. They know how the fans feel, trust us. Now while the club decide the next steps, the only thing we can do is get behind the team wholeheartedly on Saturday, like we have all season and try and retain our League 1 status.
    31 points
  6. Happy to prove you wrong Paul. Black & Gold have continued to exist since its inception back in about 2008/9, in the background, to gauge fans' feelings and I suppose judge the performance of the club. We have an excellent source of research to delve deeper into things. Mark Porter is the chair of the SC and, until recently, the meetings were held on the final Thursday of each month. However, we have just changed that to bi-monthly to allow us to have more regular committee meetings to allow us to operate better. Sadly, our website got hacked and damaged so we are struggling for an official means of communications whilst our new one is currently being built. (I'm the SC secretary by the way) Tell you why we represent you? We listen at meetings and we listen to fans in the stands, in the pubs, on social media and on forums such as this. We represent you by collectively discussing what we can do within our powers as supporter groups. That has led to lots of very frank dialogue with the club over the past couple of months, resulting in this meeting to hit it all face on with the people at the top. Yes, this meeting was face to face. No, we have not been pacified and nobody, not a single person, has changed their views on David Flitcroft or the disconnect between fans and club. I'm absolutely astounded at the bizarre criticisms that we've 'had our bellies tickled' and other such nonsense. As a result of our initial meeting, the club now fully understand the deep-rooted issues the fans have. It is the first step in a long road ahead. There will, of course, be further communication back to the fans, no doubt from both sides, but we also have to be pragmatic and sensible. We will do nothing knee-jerk. The fans have had faith in those groups to act for the betterment of the club in the past. We ask for the same again.
    31 points
  7. Very sceptical of this I'm afraid. Mark Porter - more faces than a town hall clock, goes on Praise and Grumble and slags people at the club off - I bet he won't have said half of that here, more concerned with making himself the centre of attention and getting inside info. I'd have much preferred another open fans forum, or God forbid Flitcroft sat down with the media and answered some frank questions. Instead we've had an in-house podcast, and now Carol grabbing a select group of fans who she can give a slight inside view into the workings of the club in exchange for their loyalty and spreading the good word on her behalf. Sorry, it means little unless Flitcroft comes out and explains what he's actually doing and takes some responsibility, instead of another attempt by Carol to get people to love him.
    30 points
  8. The most disturbing thing about today for me was the apathy amongst the fans, it is obvious that the fans have packed up and can you really blame them ? This team is not phenomenal Carol, it's just not very good at football and it's plain to see that next season with this set of players it's going to be another struggle and that's where the apathy sets in, once it gets a hold it's very hard to shake off, it can take years to gain support and just months to lose, the damage done with the recruitment policy since January 23 is going to take years to rectify and the paying public deserve an explanation That's why hundreds were streaming off the ground before the final whistle just resigned to yet another home defeat. The fights gone out of the supporters and it's certainly gone out of the team, like I said............. Apathy
    29 points
  9. Loft was excellent today. I hope the guy who was bad mouthing him at the Supporters Club meeting was there to see it.
    28 points
  10. A joint statement that didn't really say anything at all. All talk and no action or solutions. Why not release a transcript of the meeting? Why not organise an open fans forum? It's all well and good saying the club was 'open and honest' and then not providing anything to back it up. Carol's open letter told me everything I need to know about what they think of fans and their opinions. Why wasn't Flitcroft there if his role was the significant part of the meeting? Must be scared of being called out without scripted questions and club edited podcasts. I'm sick of hearing 'biggest game of the season','must win', 'back the lads' and 'we will improve' and then the fans doing their best to get behind the team and then ultimately getting beaten comfortably every single game. I actually think the fans have been quite patient with how things are being handled by the club. We are abysmal on the pitch and all of this was avoidable, the past 18 months have been a car crash. They've been living under a rock and hiding for months.
    28 points
  11. Coming back for a good mate and vale fan's funeral next Thursday then to the match on Friday and home to Wales on Saturday ...just win it for Patrick,RIP mucka ⚽VTID UTV
    26 points
  12. I wonder if carol realises the only way she will ever achieve 10k plus home fans is providing a team that we are all proud of, a team that we are excited to come and watch on Saturday afternoons. Ive never seen such a pathetic excuse of a football team in my life. We let pett go and replaced him with jason lowe..... pett is no world beater but id take him every day of the week over lowe. Dan jones today you'd struggle to find a worse performance than that in any sunday league side across the country this weekend. Pathetic just pathetic. Our strikers have about 5 goals between them all season....... it is the most criminal neglect ive ever seen at vale in my whole life supporting the club. It simply is unacceptable. I could of recruited a better team than this lot. And they supposedly put this together through endless research and non stop hard work????
    26 points
  13. Having personally dealt with Matt all throughout this 'process', I'd appeal for us all to let the dust settle and show the man a bit of respect. He has been true to every word that he has said to me and others and I believe that the club will change for the better in the coming weeks and months. Rest assured, I won't <ovf censored> rest unless it does. We're <ovf censored> on the pitch. We're angry in the stands. We've all been treated poorly and left behind. But these aren't bad people, they have just had bad judgement and bad advice. We're trying to change that, and they are listening. Let's give them a chance to repair that.
    25 points
  14. Right decision and will benefit Port Vale in the long run if not the short run to the end of this season. My view on Carol is that I try to judge people on intentions over execution. Her intentions are absolutely to do the best she can for Port Vale. That gets her a significant amount of leeway in my eyes. The execution hasn’t been perfect and it’s clear as a person she is very loyal and tends to hold on to people for too long when it’s clear they should go. Its not the worst fault in the world, I can name many MANY worse by just looking at previous owners.
    24 points
  15. It’s more obvious by the week that up until his problems, Darrell Clarke was the glue that held this club together.
    24 points
  16. We go into our next game, number 38 of the season, and our strikers stats in the league are this…… James Wilson. 3 goals. Uche Ikpeazu. 1 goal. Bailey Dipepa. 1 goal. Ryan Loft. 0 goals. 37 games in. Let that sink in Carol. Let that sink in when you came out publicly and said that David Flitcroft was involved in everything football related. Let that sink in the next time you slag off the fans in your open letter. Let that sink in the next time some WAG tells you we have phenomenal players. Let that sink in the next time narcissist Dave tells you he’s doing a great job. And ultimately……… Let that sink in when fans look at you with distain and disgust in letting OUR football club be ruined by David Flitcroft, whilst you detach yourself further from the fanbase. Forget your 6 monthly, annual, performance based reviews etc. This is no ordinary business. SACK. HIM. NOW.
    23 points
  17. At the end of the day, any money available should have been ploughed into the team. Yes, some things had to be done to the stadium to make it safe, but anything else is just window dressing. The coaching room, the ice baths, the endless list of backroom staff are all great to have if you're doing well. As long as you're paying a player the going rate, he'll get changed in a portakabin. I understand to some extent to want to improve the commercial side of the business, but spending money on the unnecessary flowery stuff is just a bad plan. Spend every spare penny you have on the first team, which creates success, increased attendances, bigger away followings and everything else that comes with it. Once you achieve success on the pitch, you can do all the vanity projects you want. We've tried to act like a Championship/Premier league club before actually achieving anything. The most important thing in a football club is football. Full stop. Not community work, not nice buildings, not Mother's day lunches. Football. Concentrate on it, spend on it and then you can do as many charity/vanity projects as you like.
    23 points
  18. Over & out for me. The whole Vale situation right now from top to bottom is getting me down. Time to take a break from it all including the forum. Nothing against you guys it’s for my own good. I don’t want be feeling angry & depressed every weekend & talking Vale really isn’t helping. Take care guys, stay safe, look after your loved ones & be happy 👍🏻 I’ll check back in at the end of the season & what a season it will have been 😏
    21 points
  19. You really have no idea what you’re talking about have you?
    21 points
  20. It's been an absolutely car crash of a season and relegation is an absolute guarantee at this point. And the office upstairs have failed the club miserably. However. For the first time in years we've got some decent young players coming through the ranks and it's just refreshing to see the likes of Bailey, Walters and plant playing. No one is claiming he's a world beater but for the love of God give the 17 year a old a break instead of writing him off because he's in a bad team. He's just scored two goals for the national team under 17s. What have you done with your life ? "Fans" like you are exactly the problem with modern day football. Saying he's leek town level is a joke and disgrace and yet if he was to bang in a hat trick next week you'd be loving him Shame on you for slating the young man.
    20 points
  21. My journey to apathy from the start of the season to now: 1. Expecting to win each game 2. Expecting to win the odd game 3. Hopeful of a win 4. Expecting to lose but expecting to score 5. Expecting to lose but expecting to get some shots on target 6. Expecting to lose and expecting that we don't have a shot on target. = not @rs£d
    20 points
  22. Are you married? If so can you pass my deepest sympathy to your missus for having to live with such a miserable bugger!
    20 points
  23. Spotted at the darts in Brighton😂
    20 points
  24. A high proportion of the beef from posters on this thread doesn’t seem to be about the statement itself, but because they weren’t invited to the meeting, which is a bit entitled in my opinion. It smacks of jealousy to me, to be frank. Am I annoyed I wasn’t told about the meeting? No. Am I annoyed I wasn’t invited? No. How can I be. I’m a Vale fan. I buy my season ticket and spend my money at the club. But, I don’t give up my free time for the club, I haven’t attempted to arrange a meeting myself. The people who did attend, obviously did and do all this, so there shouldn’t be any resentment because you weren’t invited. It’s ludicrous. With regards to the statement itself, of course it’s written how it is. The minutiae if the meeting, the individual personal comments likely made, obviously cannot be included. It’s a public statement from a professional business and it cannot include criticism about members of staff etc it could leave the club, an employer, open to all sorts issues (constructive dismissal case for example?). All I’m taking from it is dialogue has been opened between the club and its customers. Whatever you think of the Shanahans, DF etc, that’s got to be a positive surely. The ability to listen and communicate was not something V2001 / Smurhwaite were ever open too. And no, I’m not a happy clapper, and no, I’m not happy with where we are in the league, the recruitment over the last 18 months etc but my recourse is through my wallet, that’s it. I have no other entitlement to anything else and nor should I.
    20 points
  25. There’s a world where, one year on from the tragic death of his daughter, we gave DC compassionate leave again until the end of summer, and provided him with comprehensive mental health support and therapy upon his return. We had an assistant manager with interim experience and a DoF who apparently would be in charge of recruitment. I understand how bad things got, but did we not have a moral obligation to look after him instead of sacking him? Carol said he needed to heal elsewhere but DC didn’t seem to think the same when he was jettisoned. Everything good about this club was built on DC’s management. Behind that, it was just empty words. We conflated a really good manager with some nonsense ‘process’. I know it’s banging on about the past, but we didn’t have to take the path we did. We chucked away the very best thing we’ve had at PVFC at decades and I’m not sure when we’ll get as lucky again.
    20 points
  26. I have not seen the phrase "world beater" at all earlier in this thread. I've seen "prospect", "keep up the good work" and "bright spark" though. I don't think anyone's thinking he's a "world beater" but rather that he's done well in difficult circumstances and has been rewarded with an U17 cap. He's still very much at the fledgling stage of his career and arguably the club should not have been risking ruining him by giving him so much first-team football early on, but I don't see anyone on here hyping him up, just a bunch of fans pleased to see a youngster doing well so far.
    19 points
  27. I can't believe having like many of you here I've seen us lose 4-1 at home to Macc. Plenty of other humiliations. Was it 6-2 v Lincoln the other year. This feels worse. What makes this all the less unpalatable is that it was all so preventable. Many fans ( and we all think we're experts ) saw this coming in October and November. Another poster rightly put the Boro game was the final straw. A humongous night for the club to get a massive pay day in a 2 legged semi final , we didn't have an attempt on target. Simply astonishing. The club has buried it's head in the sand and I got suckered by the podcast DF did. He literally could sell sand to the Arabs. Burton away will be my only game this season. I've had it . Ruining my moods , my weekend and even my sleep ( drama queen alert ). I'll renew my 2 season tickets and be back in August but I'm drained by it all for this season. Two runs of firstly 11 and now 12 and still climbing, without a win has sucked the life out of me. What used to be my weekend treat, is now an absolute chore and sense that I have to be there. I'm not putting myself through it any more and will come with renewed optimism that we might win a few more games in League 2. Hopefully Flitcroft is sacked by then.
    19 points
  28. Flitcroft brought in 5 players in the January window. One never made it onto the pitch before he was sent back to his parent club. Of the others only one started today. That is simply pathetic and he should be on his bike.
    19 points
  29. Could have a big rant but at this point it’s pointless. Players are crap. DOF is inept. Owner is clueless. Just let it all unfold.
    19 points
  30. I think what people are frustrated at rob is the fact that things have been explained to a handful of people and the rest of us are left here guessing. If anything id expect a 'supporters club' to now explain to us fans what was said in the meeting. I dont expect the club to provide a transcript but the fans that were there should now be saying we asked about January and this is what we were told. They should relay the message however it seems like thats not going to be the case so i really dont see the point of the club announcing the meeting. As it seems like its a weve discussed things but were not telling you what was discussed. So who has the conversation really benefited?
    19 points
  31. Going down with a whimper sadly! This is going to set the club back years. All the good will and support built up over the past few years lost!
    19 points
  32. Add to that, Worrall knew his contract wouldn't be renewed and yet he played at 100% right to the end, a top professional and the type of character we have tried and failed miserably to replace.
    19 points
  33. How does Carol come back from this? 1. Very clear, simple message when we go down admitting that serious mistakes were made, that the fans should have been listened to, and lessons have been learned. Make the fans feel heard. 2. Flitcroft sacked ASAP with a new DoF installed before the end of the season ahead of the summer. We can’t trust him anymore, and the DoF needs time to prepare for a crucial summer in which we cannot do a Forest Green. 3. No phrases, cliches, slogans. No faffing about on anything apart from essential stuff for the average fan. Want Need Expect. Championship Ready. Get rid. Budget reoriented to build a solid League 2 team with experience of success at the level. 4. Engage with the average fan again moving forward. Meet with Mark Porter and the SC on a regular basis. Stay in touch with the common plebs. We may be a bit emotional at times, but we see things from a different angle. 5. Never, ever get ahead of yourself again. Just have a relentless focus on winning games of football. The rest will come. Every season, the focus should be on improving the league position from last season, above anything else. There is enough residual goodwill towards the Shanahans that they can easily rebuild from this. What would be a disaster is a doubling down on the failures to this point, to protect egos. Sincerely hope she chooses the right path as we all fundamentally want her to be successful. I feel like the old Carol who took over has gone, but I’m sure things can be worked out.
    19 points
  34. 19 points
  35. Not a name known to many OVF posters I suspect. But whilst being Head of Academy Coach & Player Development at the Vale Josh also has a second job as Manager of Leek Town FC and 'his' team are the antithesis of PVFC first team results wise. Whilst we are busy getting ourselves relegated Leek Town have, since a 5-0 drubbing that saw Josh take over as Manager, won 15 drawn 2 lost 0 in the league. This fantastic run now sees Leek Town comfortably top of the league and if results go their way on Saturday will see them win the league and take the one automatic promotion spot to Step 3 of the non league pyramid. Just three more promotions to league 2 may seem a task beyond them, but, on average gates of around 500-600 , I hope you will agree it's an amazing success story. So, congratulations to you Josh and Leek Town FC. Look forward to you taking on the likes of Macclesfield and FC United of Manchester next season if i am not mistaken.
    18 points
  36. I watched 20 minutes of training today and can honestly say it’s the loudest and most intensive session I’ve seen this season. Admittedly I’ve only watched a handful of sessions this season, 20 minutes is a small sample size but it looked really well organised. Gives me hope for Saturday the lads are finally going to be up for it. The manager certainly is! 1st win of the year incoming 🤞
    18 points
  37. I am going to get shot down here and in the long run hopefully I am wrong but we were actually better under Crosby !!! Flitcroft OUT.
    18 points
  38. What a terrible season its been on and off the pitch. But somehow after yesterdays win we are in with a sniff of pulling off a miracle the only way i think we can get ourselves out of this is if we pack the park. Our last home games are all winnable and i think if we were to win them wed stay up. Id like the club to offer cheaper tickets to get bums on seats. Its the start of a new dawn flitcroft is gone although left in position far to long weve all finally got our wishes. Bring family/mates along lets do our bit to push the lads on . They showed fight and passion yesterday lets get vale park rocking for the first time since the hamil switch. I truly believe if we do it can give the players that extra bit in terms of belief to try and get us over the line. we have been fantastic this season considering what weve been put through this season but now is the time to put that all to bed and create some noise in the right way. We are all vale. We all want league one next year. Lets help achieve this.
    17 points
  39. Hope he signs be the only Wynne we've had all year
    17 points
  40. we've had the life drained out of us watching every home game since the start of 2023 , gonna take some convincing to part with our money again this time round , 44 years a fan so have seen some poor sides over the years but this current set up tops the lot .
    17 points
  41. Reading between the lines, the fans told Carol they want Flitcroft held accountable for the last 14 months of failure on the pitch, and she said no. It's hard to feel all that enthused about the meeting if the end result is the root cause of our ongoing malaise remains in post. It's also not like the fans haven't been getting behind the players already. There's only so much encouragement that can be given when we're playing as we are, with three league wins in nearly six months.
    17 points
  42. I think we need to be smart here. Ripley Barbed wire fence Sang Debrah Smith Lopata Ojo Yak Grant Moat of lava guard Jaguar ------------------------------------------------------------------------- < 18 yard box
    17 points
  43. That's well unfair. I agree he should be at Leek or Stafford maybe learning his trade. But nobody has said he's a world beater. He's as raw as they come. Not his fault he's been thrust in. He's looked lively and actually looks interested unlike the majority of our other goal machines. A really unfair comment .
    16 points
  44. Rudgey is nearly 80 and has other things to bother about.
    16 points
  45. Why do we need a DOF, especially in League 2. We have a manager, a head of recruitment, dozens of other support staff, a CEO and a COO. We could put the DOF salary towards a package for a decent striker?
    16 points
  46. The first and only thing that should be on the club's league two preparation list is giving Flitcroft his P45. Everything else is irrelevant until that's happened.
    16 points
  47. He’ll be back Saturday afternoon with his team prediction. Garrity right back & Dan Jones up front 😁
    16 points
  48. An abomination of a second half. What makes it sting even more is that nobody could confidently say that the first half was plain-sailing. Fleetwood had some decent chances and were frequently loading balls into it our box. The penalty gave some daylight to the scoreline but Charlie Adam rightly believed his team were creating problems, hence he adapted at the break. Even if we acknowledge Flitcroft’s abysmal recruitment and the squad Moore has inherited, the latter’s second-half tactics and substitutions were head-scratching and alarming; as was his assessment that we were “comfortable”. Why remove Ojo for Lowe? (Why did we ditch Tom Pett, by the way?) What positive outcome was genuinely expected by isolating Loft and Mighten in no-man’s land? Was Ripley instructed to repeatedly belt the ball out of play on the left flank, but not before Dan Jones had attempted to scramble his way towards keeping it in with his head? It was dire and embarrassing. God forbid the quality of football on show if we didn’t have two changing rooms and ice baths. One last thing. Vale fans are frequently being asked to “stick together” with the team, “as one”. To this fan, it’s felt restlessly patronising. For the majority of last night - even during that horrific second-half display - the fans backed the players and the manager. They did so - despite this team’s nosedive in form - to boost and support the players on the pitch. If the individual(s) pulling the levers at this club could put ego aside for one moment, step back, and genuinely look at their contribution to what has happened on the pitch since May 2022, they would not only witness successive blunders, but they’d have the decency to admit it.
    16 points

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